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Season 3, Episode 36 · 9 months ago

Bonus Action - Mimic Queen Revisited

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Jordan and Braeden sit down with friend of the show Elijah to discuss his feedback on our recent module, Into The Jaws Of The Mimic Queen.

Ladies Gentlemen and Non Binary Friends,welcome back to another triple advantage bonus action, one of those short little segments wherewe sit down and we look at something that we wouldn't normally look atin the triple advantage podcast. As often, not as always, I suppose.I am joined by Jordan. Jordan, how's it going tonight? Going great, Braden, thanks for having me again. You say that this wasn'tyour idea. Yea, yes, joining the two of us, we havethe pleasure of welcoming Elijah. Elijah, welcome to the show. How's itgoing? Hello, thank you, thank you for having me. We're gladto have you now. Okay, so we're we're having you because you haverecently. So first of all, why don't you introduce yourself? Why don'tyou let us know you are exactly sure? I'm Elijah. I suppose I knowJordan, which is how I I guess how I came to the situation, but I basically I'm I dm, as well as a player, ofcourse, actually I am. I'm a player in some of in the campaignthat Jordan is dming. So I've heard some things on this podcast about myown campaign, about how bad we've done. So that's not what anyways. Yeah, no, so I found myself running. I had a request froma friend of mine to be a DM for campaign that it was with everyoneher and and all of her roommates. So for four players that all hadpretty new but some experience and with the emming and I wanted to have anice one shot to run for them, and so I actually asked Jordan whatbut one shots our CSA has made and he pointed me to a couple andI thought into the jaws of the Mimic Queen seemed very interesting. So Irecently, I've recently ran that and yeah, very, very interested. All right, so you're here today to talk to us about those results. Correctthe the your experience? Yeah, our module. All right. Yeah,let's start off just with a couple of cursory questions. First, like howlong? So you said that your player in Jordan's game. You've been askedto DM for your friend in her roommates. How long have you been dming for, and how long have you been playing for on top of that?If it's a different answer. Oh well, yeah, I've been playing for Imean maybe Jordan should keep me honest, because he was the one who introducedme to dnd. I think it's half years, three years, three, three, for sure. Okay, yeah, Cuz we've been in thewildmant campaign for like over a year now, a year and a half, andlike before that we were in a campaign for over a year together aswell. But yeah, so at least at least two and a half,probably three years, though. Yeah, and I have I've been dming fora little less than that. I actually...

...think like two years, maybe alittle under two years. Okay, although not, you know, with withlarge with my breaks in between. Sure, yeah, doesn't take long, doesit? You start playing and you start playing with your friends, you'relike, yeah, they're a good DM, but I could be better. Iknow, I don't think I ever thought I could be better, unfortunately, but I just wanted to play more and there wasn't enough DM's to goaround, so I guess. So I figured I had to do it myself. Well, let's talk about let's talk about this session that you just hadwhere you ran through into the jazz of the moment, Queen. So thatwas, as you mentioned, a mundule that we, as the RCS,put out. Our good friend David Gepta was the lead author and original creatorof that. What did you why don't you walk us through how the sessionwent? What did what was the overall feel of how it went? Doyou think? Yeah, I feel like there's some some good background I shouldgive of things that I knew coming into this campaign. If, if that'sokay, I of course you. Initially, right away I kind of asked whatthey were interested in about dnd. So there was various levels, butthey are all pretty pretty new level. So I think one person had neverplayed dnd before and everyone else loose. It was for people. All theother people had played before, but like maybe one or two one shots orof a campaign that only lasted a few session, this kind of thing.So I kind of asked what what they you know, what they had liked, and they all liked the role play aspect much more than the combat acts. At least that's what they told me, like before before even starting. Andpeople all right, that's what they told you. Yes or that thatthat makes it sound like, you know what, by the end they haddifferent opinions. Well, we'll find out. No one. No, I thinkthey they had the same opinion by the end. That's what Um,yeah, no, anyway. So this one of the reasons I chose thiscampaign is there was a good level of intrigue and whatnot into it. Ithink the only other one shot I have ever ran was an old fully combatand I knew that wouldn't be at their alley. Anyways, the I guess, I guess the my my my main point about how it, how thatgenerally it went is that, you know, similarly similar how that how they saidthat they mostly liked the you know, the intrigue or whatnot, the artrole playing they got. They got pretty intense with the role playing andthen whenever there was combat, it was it was kind of long and drawnout. So I thought that was a little interesting that I haven't not really, not really a dmed or even played sessions particularly like that, but therole playing was pretty interesting. I guess...

...you're used to people being a littlebit more like yeah, combat kind of thing and they yeah, into it. Yeah, yeah, I feel like in all the campaigns that I've playedthe combat's like exciting and you know, at least I am excited for thecombat when it comes. So it was interesting to see a different side ofthat started. Okay, so, so what did? What did your playersthink then? Overall, like at by the end, I think they hadthe the same. I mean, you know, I do want to gointo the details of like right, all, right, went the way I suppose. Okay. So, so, right off the bat, this isall online, right, because, because covid so, I asked them toall make characters in advance and I knew they didn't have that much experience.So I sat down with what my my one friend, and made the characterwith her, just to get a gage of how much experience there was andalso so that, you know, if they'd help, they could ask hercertain questions. But also that was more just like US d MD beyond toinitially set up your character, for for ease of creation or when not,as what I suggested, and use point by and you know, the basicstuff like that. However, I did say, like you know, theycan, they can talk to me if they want to talk about their characteridea. It sound like they they did know the classes and whatnot, though. So like they they had character ideas and they turned them in the classes, which is which is exactly what I wanted. In the past I've hadhad times were people had like had class ideas and then tried to make acharacter around that, which I've never thought went. It went as well,but for new characters at least, anyway. So when I made the moll sendme their characters before, before the session, and they had kind ofwarned me of this, but the characters were we're definitely not made for forcombat as well. So I suppose my favorite was was to a warrior whodumped strength and decks and kind of con that was. That was interesting.Had had great had great mental stats for a warrior. That's not the mostuseful, but I mean that is the character they want to create. Theywant to create a soldier who was old and no longer strong at all andso like over over confidence because of his youth, kind of thing. Awesome. So yeah, I mean that that was yeah, go through the kindof characters you can really only bring out...

...in a one shot, in aone shot exactly. Yeah, I wish I killed him off the tops ofa lesson, but it didn't work like that and ending up. So Iguess the rest of the characters, you know, we're pretty normal. Therewas a there was a rogue, there was Druid, tword of the starsI believe. Yeah, as I did the same one in that place hasoh yeah, that's it. Yeah, I played the same class. That'sawesome. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, yeah, I feel likeI only know about the moon druid just because it's, you know,played so much that I haven't really looked into what even the other Druid,the other Druid subclasses do personally. So still feel like I don't have thatgood of a sense. But anyways, circle stars is Great. I lovedit. It was a lot of fun. I'm personally a fan of the circleof the deep by the real cities. So yeah, now, but that'senough of that. That's a good plug. It's had to get paidon the show. But how did your I guess, how did your players? With that in mind, how did they react to the module itself?Do you think they had a good time to despite the fact that maybe theyweren't the best oriented for some of the combat? I think they really enjoyedthe role play. I gave them a lot of leniency about what they coulddo and how they could, you know, how they could solve problems or whothey could talk to, which which ended up me me being me Ihad to make us make up a bunch of stuff on the spot, butthe politics of the town and the the relations of some of the different people, the affairs going on, which I thought was really fun as a DMto be able to kind of like make up some of that lower on thespot. And you know, have the challenge in the mind of making sureeverything straight and always dangerous, but but fun in the dam. You arebetter at Improv than I am. I could never come up with like politicslike just off the top of my head and keep that stuff straight over it. I mean fun dummy, that's right. Heard of just not great at it, jour and I'm sure, I'm sure you could do it. Itwas not very complex politics. I would do the politics ahead of time andthen use that, but I would not be I would not be great atcoming up with it on the spot. I don't think. Yeah, Isuppose I could have tried to think about that before. I actually actually kindof funny story because I had before the session I was like frantically messaging Jordanabout some questions about about the session or...

...about the about the booklet. Actuallydon't remember if I ask this one, but at least thought it and itwas like it says that you know, some people don't like I go.So I guess some background. The the characters talk to the mayor of thistown and I guess. I guess spoilers, but the mayor says if they askthem who wronged her, she'll say, well, she she had some peoplewho disagreed with some of her policies sometimes, but you know, shedidn't think it was enough. Basically, right, I don't I'm kind ofI don't know how much you want me to spoil here, but I mean, assuming anybody that's listening to this is down with either reddity or yeah,doesn't you should any he'd way, it's really good. We agree. Yeah. And then of course my the the the party then directly asked like okay, well, who are some of the people that may not have liked someof your policies? So I made up the story of the the STONEMASON whowanted to erect a large statue in town to attract more, attract more visitors, partially because he'd obviously get paid to make this statute, but also becausehe's having a fair with the inkey for who isn't getting very much traffic becauseyou know, nobody comes to this, to the small town, and somesome some good interactions there, which I thought was kind of fun. Theythen got to like get a little bit involved, involved in that. Thesession ended with one of the characters convincing the Stonemason, actually the warrior.Okay, this this warrior who had dumped all the stats. I don't thinkI've ever seen someone dump all of their physical stats. Anyways, he wasamazing at like all checks of persuasion and what and deception whatnot. So inthis case he successfully convinced the Stonemason to erect a statue of this warrior inthe center of town for for saving the town. So that was the thatwas the end of those list. Is The clusion. Conclusion is after theysaved everyone, they made a deal before before they went off and at theend they came back to him and like hey, we saved everyone, youshould you should build me in the center of town. So, yeah,that is awesome. Aw Okay, so you went way off script for someof this, I guess. Oh goodness, just some of it. I'm intoit. Yeah, so the the I should I should I just go. Should I go in more about like that was only was one case andyou know that was that was pretty fun. I think probably my favorite off scriptpart and my favorite part of running...

...this campaign was when, you know, they were getting tired of fighting this doppelganger who is copying the the woodmaker in the the wood workshop, with the carpenter, who is who iskind of the branch to to the rest of the to the final boss.I suppose you talked to him to find aivation of a fairly key figure inthe yeah, yeah, and much so. They ended up like aggressing this thiscarpenter right away, despite saying they don't like combat, but they're gettingtired of fighting this this carpenter. These fights were get out. That wasthe first fight actually they they actually were able to have some good investigation earlierand find the the go to the carpenter right away and that was the firstfight of this of a session and it was going so slow, like theywere hardly doing any damage. And I I said three of the characters.I forgot to mention the fourth character. There's also a half work barbarian,pretty classic. That was the first character I've ever ever played was a halfwork barbarian. However, he liked to punch things instead of using his battleacts. He's at the beginning, so that was little inefficient for damage.Okay, I had the same like. I also had a a fork.Barbarian likes a punch things. The first time I ran this module. Whatjust the same group interesting all to all to compare what the rest of theparty looked like. Yeah, anyways, like the half hour prevarion was likethe only one doing damage and the warrior was just trying to grapple. WhoActually got some lucky grapple checks, like for having no strength. The roguewas like stabbing a little bit, but yeah, try to grapple with withlike negative one strength, liarly negative strength. Oh that's so difficult, and actuallysucceeded three times in a row. I forget what the a doppel gangstat was, but it's plus zero, so I guess it's not too goodstrength. But yeah, had some bad roles for the wait, no,it's plus four decks, though I don't remember how exactly that worked, buthe did legitimately successfully grapple and the Dolph dolfol gang was just trying to getout for like was it, in my even two or two or three turnsthat's impressive. Yeah, that's for actual yeah, but yeah, so theyjust pulled out they weren't really even fighting the Doppel Ganger, like the thethe barbarian was like punching the the mimic that came up, which actually turnedinto a the the rocking chair, mostly because, I'll admit, mostly becauseI forgot to mention there's a bed in the room when I when they firstwalked in, and so I didn't want...

...to say, Oh, and suddenlythere's a bed, but I did mention as per the the the book letor whatnot, that that he is, or at least looks like he's,working on a rocking chair. So I made that the the mimic that cameto life at that point. And Yeah, they were like attacking the mimic abit, but eventually they they just did some they just lit the litthe workshop on fire after grappling and pulling the Doppel Ganger out of it andlocked a lock them in that conside, which I thought was kind of clever. I like. But then they then they they took the Doppel Ganger andthey like successfully intimidated the warrior, successfully intimidated and then persuaded with like massive, massive rolls the Doppel Ganger to to actually to was it called to DoppelGang, to to make himself look like the main person they were looking for. So mercy, the mayor's wife who had gone missing. So they convincedthe Doppel Ganger to pretend to be the mayor's wife and to go and livewith the mayor and say, Oh look, we found look, we found themayor's wife. You should give us a least half the gold now andwe'll find her. Okay, this is the beginnings of an evil campaign.Gosh, it's true. They they they definitely were not. I mean therewas definitely some deception rules in there. I got. I'm thinking the outsidethe box, thinking on this party's yeah, yeah, yeah, so, yeah, I mean that was nice of the first thing they did after likegoing and check out the crime scene, and then they came, came tothe this carpenters workshop, intimidated and convinced the Doppel Ganger to become the mayor'swife and and trick the mayor into thinking they had actually found the mayor's wife. And initially the mayor had had very little, you know, didn't evensuspect the Doppelganger, at least not right away, not when they like handthem. was too excited to to even really do an insight check into theDoppel Gare. I mean, why would you assume that your wife that yousee in front of you is was faker right, especially when they're coming backwith a group of adventures? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Had some basefaith. They're actually later in the campaign, the Doppelganger, despite it's the despitethe doppelgangers proficiency and deception, like a plus six exception, the DoppelGanger ruled a natural one on trying to pretend to be a mercy. Sothe mayor. That figured out pretty actually. Then I rolled for mayor's insight justfor fun, and theyre insight got inside of two. So any otherrole for the Doppel Ganger and it would...

...have been fine. But yeah,no, the mayor caught on, you know, but only after the venturethat left and already picked up some like half their prize pool. They convincedthe mayor to give them. Yeah, that's awesome. So at that rate, like did they even make it to the end, or was this justso far off the reels that so I was I was a little bit concerned, they wouldn't even care to go and like figure out the rest of thethere, the rest of the Black Pool, actually where any of the people are? Yeah, exactly that. Yeah, they didn't go to the the theynever even went to the to the guard house to find the other DoppelGanger. So the like they yeah, they they bypass that. I wasI was almost thinking they would be like, okay, well, we solved it, let's go to the next town now. And he stuck with that. Luckily they, at least some of them, the party, did wantto find out where the actual people were. So they they continue to investigate evenafter they had returned to the the fake the fake mayor's wife. SoI mean that that's one of the reasons why they went to the still mason. So they went and talk to other people. They talked to people thatmay not have liked some of the mayor's policies. There was a bunch ofother stuff in there. How did they make it to the the Mimic Housethen? Yeah, so I maybe way a bit too long, but Iwanted them to, you know, be able to I kind of want themto like figure out if they could, I don't know, figure it outin that I know have to have some time to investigate. So they wentthe next day, actually started the campaign at night and then they slept afterthat first night. And they want them to be walking through the woods atthe beginning of the night, because I thought it was more more spooky.But anyways, they slept and like checked out the charred remains of the carpentersworkshop in the morning. Having they had had that, like figure out excusesabout about that, about how they why they burned down the carpenters workshop,and they were like, oh, and wood road, Wood Wren, thecarpenter has sadly passed. They told the yeah, they said, they saidthat they needed to, they were just following the lead at the workshop andand it ended up that they had to burn it down. Oh so sorry. And then they eventually actually found the mayor in the woods, is whatthey claimed. So anyways, they went back to the back to the thecharter remains the wood workshop, after having...

I think they also they also talkedto the the gardener. So the the DRUID was like giving out concoctions,like healthy green concoctions, and the mayor said that all that's great, becauseour herbalist has left town. Well, not herbos is one of the peoplethat is missing, and so you can become the new herbalist. So theyalso, you know, checked out, checked out that the herbalist place briefly, but eventually they got to the chart remains and I just made the fatherand child come by, at which point, again, as per the the bookletas I'm calling it, the child basically talks about having seen monsters inthe wood and a house in the wood and whatnot, and eventually does guidethem to the final boss. However, only after the barbarian took a sidetrip to go to the farmer and buy a chicken, of course, whatshe brought with them. So, yeah, understandable. Huh. Yeah, soI guess like so, one of the big questions that we had washow to your gain deviate maybe from the standard module, but I think thatit deviated in most ways from the standard because possibly d yeah, so that'sthat answers that. Huh. What did it? What do they think aboutthat final encounter? Again, I think similar to the the encounter before.It was it was quite long and they were not built for combat and even, for instance, the rogue which has the sneak attack and you know,theorically be able to do lots of damage. You know, was was, youknow, use the rope to try to trip the house from on it'son its legs and whatnot, which I thought was pretty clever and, youknow, I was going to let work if, if the rolls turned out, I think got a natural twenty on the first like was it survival checkto like tie tie the rope around one of the legs. However, didnot do so well when trying again and then gave up pretty quickly. That'skind of excited to figure out what would happen if you you luke skywalker thehouse's but yeah, so, because, because I knew they were combat orientedand also live during the during the session, because the first combat went so slowly, I did take out, you know, I took out the drugsZebo and I also lessened the amount of enemies inside the Mimic House. Andin retrospect, I think I was wrong to do so. I think Ishould have just killed them off for being...

...insolent. I was being too nice, I and well, I was thinking it was taking so long. Ididn't want them to have more hit points, to have to beat through. Right. Yeah, but I wasn't really thinking. Oh, but that alsomeans that the the the enemies, are doing less damage to them and sothey're killing them off slower and therefore, yeah, the the rogue. Therogue almost died. They had to. There was some healing done there toto keep those I forget what it was. There was some temporary health points assignedand they were within those temporary health health points for a little bit,but a last nobody, nobody died. So Yep, it survived. Theysurvived. Cool, good, I think. I mean again, but I thinkit would have been great to kill the warrior off to show that thewarrior did a Max of three damage and it was hitting each time he wastrying to hit and best attack was three damage. So on a beast thatthe Mimic Queen has a hundred fifty health points, as written in the stepblock. Actually also ended up just cutting out to a hundred because it wastaking so long and not very much things nothing. So yeah, I feellike again, I feel like I've never had a session, like a combatsession like that, where the combat just seems so slow and both sides aren'tdoing very much damage against the other side and it just kind of like getsto take down health into the jobs of the Mimic Queen. Is a levelseven or level five? Braden, I can't remember in a while. Fiveof us it's level five. Okay. Yeah, so I mean you're ahigh enough level that it's like you're starting to get into that point where thecharacters can do some damage, like if they're built for that right. Wishthey were not. Yeah, so it just yeah, it guess it's difficultto balance for a team that's not built for that. So it's interesting.I've never seen that happen before where a whole team was like that. That'sreally cool, though. So did you, as you're playing through, did yousee anything that like we could improve with the module or like with ourfuture writing or like anything like that that you were like, Oh, doyou know we should address this? I think, I think I found amistake in the module, but I you know, that's not really an actualthing. Your Mimic Queen says a hundred fifty health points, or Fourteen dtwenty plus sixty, which I think averages out to two hundred. So youknow, that's the only thing I can think of. No, yeah,no, I just I'm just, I'm just kidding with that. I don'tcare. Hmm, I guess I actually...

...did kind of have a question.I was wondering. So I was running the Mimic Queen and I didn't fullyunderstand the attacks and they're yet. There's a multi attack, which is oneton lash and one swipe or two swipes, and there's also this grab and chopattack, and I was I was I started by just doing the tonguelash and swipes attack. Yeah, it was only like halfway through the thethe fight, that I realized that grab and Chomp seems like it would makethe fight much more interesting in that that's what it is much more likely tohave the house envelope or, yes, eat one of the players. MMM, so the the the the one of the players did eventually get well,a second player eventually got eaten up. So basically, yeah, they triedto burst into the door. The barbarian was laughter alone inside the House asit became animated and whatnot. Right near the end of this the the fight, the rogue was also sucked into the house, but they hit the UVULA. So they did find it. Yeah, they, they, they did.And Yeah, I'll go expelled. And but did they? Yeah,I still they still want to finish this, finish flighting the the house instead ofrunning away. I was wondering if they would just deck it out ofthere now that they had the all the townspeople. But yeah, I wascurious as to whether other parties would find the UVULA, just because it's notsomething I guess I would normally think of. But I already knew it going intothe session. Yeah, so like I knew it was there and thenyou know that that's a little bit like metagame me, though, I luckilyI didn't end up in the house, so I didn't have to deal withthat Meta gave me. But like, yeah, I was thinking, likewould my character even like look for something like that? And I don't know, I guess it depends on and how you describe things. But yeah,I think it did depend on a lot about how I describing it. So, you know, I was I was ascribing like the inside of the Houseis, is, you know, switching between what looks like material wall andthen suddenly fleshy for as as the the house moves and whatnot. And Ialso described at one point the the grandfather clock turned into, you know,a large, you know fleshy tumor from the from the ceiling, and Iguess, yeah, then they then they decide to target it. I supposebecause I pointed it out so right. They didn't do a check or anythingto see what that would do. They just thought, let's hit it.Yeah, basically, which air enough.

It's fair. So yeah, Idid kind of give it to them a little bit and I think, Ithink it's some ways that I personally, I think that's okay. But,you know, yeah, you're calling, I think, is it the onlypiece of furniture in their correct me if I'm wrong. I think it's theonly piece of furniture in there. That's not a mimic. I mean likethere's there's a fireplace as well. I do call that a piece of furnitureor not? I don't know, but fair enough, all right. Yeah, and roll overall, what went well? Then you think the players enjoyed it? They came out of it and they said that they really enjoyed theyrole playing and the voices I was doing and the voices that they were doing, right, whatnot. I think that they re n rated that they werenot the biggest fun of the combat aspect. Right. So I did not swaythem, unfortunately, despite my desire. You so. But yes, yes, they had fun and we're actually well, I guess not quite theIndi related. So be not, you know, home on this podcast.But there they are, thinking of running another tabletop game that, what isit? Monster of the week. That is supposed to be even more roleplay. So one of the characters in this campaign is going to be theDM of that and they've invited me to join that. I'm curious to seehow that is different from DD. Definitely that sounds like a lot of fun. You have. I've never heard of it, but I'd definitely be interestedto hear about it. So I'll let you know. Cool, all right. Well, right, thank you for joining us, alosha. That wasthe most comprehensive review we have ever gotten of one of our modules, andby that also where, I wonder, is the first review for one ofour modules. It better, it better keep that spot. It one will. Yeah, it will do. Nobody's reviewing our stuff right now. DMskilled is a slow moving place for reviews for people. That's that's kind ofsad, actually. I'm sorry it. It just do be like that.But yeah, if you, if you like anything that Elijah was talking aboutin want experience the madness yourself or, sorry, into the Jiles. TheMimic Queen is now available on DM skilled is available for pay what you canhead on if you feel like picking it up, consider supporting our buddy David, who wrote it. Consider checking out our other stuff. Into the meantime, stay tuned for the new regularly scheduled episodes of triple advantage every Monday,probably. We'll see you next time.

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