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Season 3, Episode 8 · 1 year ago

Ep. 36 - Breaking Down the Data

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This week on Triple Advantage, Carlos walks us through some data analysis on 5e character trends, Jordan gives us a Hell of a good time exploring the Outer Planes, and we hear what your favorite downtime activities are on this week’s Talk of the Town.

This week on triple advantage, Carloswalks us, through some data analysis on fiveecharacter trends. Jordan gives usa hell of a good time, exploring the out of Blans, and we hear what yourfavorite downtime activities are on. This week's talk in the town, as always,follow our social media to stay up to date on the latest. Information fromthe Royal City's society enjoy the Showlo, wonderful members of thesociety and welcome to yet another very data, driven echoes of the outlands. Sothis last week I got a little bit interested in the rising popularity yet again of awonderful hobby, and I wanted to get a better sense of Um the player base and how many h streams on twitch andessentially doing a little bit of a competition analysis for our end aswell. But a couple of things were highlighted to me that I found that Ifound that were very interesting, so I shared some of this with the group Hoguys. I think we re for the most part Um there's been a couple of blogs andposts that kind of summarize the same sense of Dataso. I just heared one ofthem with you guys and this one is by a Jacob Sutterland that did a little bit of an analysis onthe selections that players have whencreating new characters. Um- and you guys have taken a second to look atthis Blok Post Um. Is there anything that stands out to you, guys? That's ofinterest. H People Watch way too much lover o theRings, the Tathree races on here? No, I'mgoing to exclude halfelt just for the purposes of this argument, becauseElphin halelf literally right next to each other, but the tow three races arehuman else and dwarf people ead the wanttoplay as Arrigorne, gimly orlegalist. I'm surprised actually that humans topcause. I I I play humans. I have characters. There are humans. I don'ttend to play humans because I feel like like it's it's afantasy worldlam. I just playing my own species just feels weird I'd rather plac in theweird I'll. Tell you why it's the varyant, the extra feet never take thevariance yeah see, but the the extra feet is why people take it because itmeans a bit more. customization in abilities, rather than H, asthetics, I suppose that's thiscustumization Dabiliti is antistetics with the others yeah I mean to behonest. When I'm making my character, I I wouldn't say that I choose based onwhat what the character would actually look like unless I'm like going for that specifically like Oh, this personlooks like they're supposed to be a demon, but he's not going to be or heis going to be. I want them or like that that unless the esthetic is like the biggest part of my character, thenI'm going to choose it based on the abilities that I want them to show offMHM that that's why I would choose my mycharacters. Right, like most of the time, doesn't have to do with you know.Oh, this is human versus tortal versus like Oh, that's, not how I imagined my character.Looking it just it. I don't know it doesn'toccur to me it'snot the most important part. Iguess to me that would be th t. That would be whythe human is most. I would guess anyway, the very on part. Well, Strolland Oun further we've gotthe most popular class list and that surprises me too 'cause. We actuallytalked on here MHM before R emasode was it a bonusactore? Was it one ofJordan's Um critical thoughts, aery more canbe? I know we talked about it inthis for too long Um yeah we did. We talked about a least paper classes toplay, and we say that I think collectively either ranger or fighter.Yes, whhyders number one, seventeen point: one percent of playersplayfighter, followed immediately by Rogeat thirteen point. Seven percent, Iwould have thought rogue would be first. To be honest, I I' thought. First of all I would havethought muner would be further down, but after that this is pretty much inline with what I expected yeah. We got rogue follow by barbarian, follow bycleric Naladin. The casters are down towards the bottom yeah. That kind ofsurprises me that the Rangers in the middle instead of Um at the bottom MHM. I think that we dominally has to dealwith probably a newer player base. That's yeah yeah,a five n as a whole because I think...

...some dms might want to Um enable their players to just jump inand the easiest way to do that is like hey, just play a Maila character, yourRola to beat the exactly goiders and rogues are by far probably the easiestto get a hang. The HANG OP dienit goes back to my argument aboutthe human, though, like we're playing a fantasy game, I I I can hit things inreal life I want to. I can't Andyou cast pets because of my draconiclineage in real life right I'd like to do that in this game which, like itjust it just assounds me that like and it's all of them too sorcer,Wizardpoorlocke, Rudbard and Mya there as well, but that Al like the Bunotsurprise that bared is at at the bottom there like that. But I'm surprised that all of them arethat far down below yeah the marshal classes. AOTHER interesting thing that I' foundwith regards to the backgrounds is that a lot of the backgrounds present in theplayers handbook seems to be used relatively the same. So between sailor,hermit soldier, criminal, Acali, noble and outlander, we have at most aboutwhat three percent difference in between yeah, so NDN OP makes the mostdoes make sense. So, but it's s thetobyaolotic, oncert, IOL skill. It'snot really getting away from the other ones. Right like it's not likeeverybody's choosing outlander, it does seem like pretty even distribution, atleast ith. The included content from the players handbook, yeah Um, butBraitan. It's interesting that the first thing that you mentioned was theRacis, because that's t t e first thought that I had with that too. Thathumans, elves endorves, at least for the most part M, are very prominentcharacters in Lord of the rinngs and in previews and mandesegenres Um, and when you couple that with m acouple more statistics, an more information Um,we might start getting into this sort of echo chamber as well, because if weget away from just the character statistics here- and we look at the H,Dendi streams and Um availability of content Um, the fact that most people are playingthose characters might inherently reinforce more players, creatingcharacters of those races and thats sure Um and of these classes at least for themost popular ones. Right, because you, you start seeing M N, you see this inother mediaas. Well, but obviously you start seeing you know your favorite,the ND, streamer and Um. You know they're running there, sort of humanfighter and well. That seems like something I can do right. So you makeyour out honestly, though, honestly though I would say that the mostsurprising part of that of the races is that half work is not above dwarf. Thatis the most surprising part of this thing. I would say: Sase O just basedon the abilities, because here's what I'm saying okay so M, no and Haffling-are at the bottom. That makes sense because they have a lower speed Um,which people don't like that. They're generally speaking, I don't know likethe the shorter races have a lower pick rate in general. Just because of thatspeed de buff and their abilities that go along with the hafflings and thenomes aren't particularly showy or UM overly powerful. I guess right, sopeople aren't going to choose them unless they're playing a classspecifically that Um works extremely well with it. So for the nome thatwould be wizard. That would be the only or the rogue Arcane trickster,specifically Um teeflings. They have a boost in Um,charisma and UM intelligence, which means that your character is very um on the mental side of things, which isfine for people. But it isn't optimizing for your character, stats moptimizing. It would be dexterity, bonus and chrismo bonus if you're doingsomething like a a bard or a sourcerr or a warlock, even Um, andthen their abilities are casting extra spells. Fire Resistance is nice, so I Ilike yeah they're they're, pretty nice, but again that that's tat Doni, thatstat drop would be the the reason people don't choose it 'cause. Itwouldn't match up exactly with their character, Um and then dragonborn hasthat breath weapon, but again that breath weapon is not like. Oh yeah,that's so powerful or something like that. It just feels like okay, it's anokay thing that you can do. That's really cool, but it's not like super flashy or overpowering. So again,people are going to choose other things that can give them those flashyearabilities or the stats that they...

...really want Um. So I it just yeah I mean I'm M, I'm not entirelysurprised the halfwork. I am a little bit surprised just because of therelentless and the savage attacker are actually really nice abilities. Um. So t that's th t's! That's that'sununderstanding that you have from playing this game r right. That's ananalysis that you have about the importance of those features, even as Iwent in like my first time that I chose like car like I was doing my charactercreation. I went and I looked at the abilities and the stats- and I was likeOh okay. Well, this makes sense to build it this way, so that I can Maxout these stats or I can play this particular way so for half work. I canjust kindof go in and I can keep fighting and it's not an issue kind ofthing: it'sits, Jordan level, tenerds speaking about jumping into anothernerv topic M, quick regards to brand new players,though right people who might necessarily not even have experiencewith R PG Games rightr. There are certain things that even from likeworld o warcraft, when I used to play it- or even I don't know- GildwarsOnninh like there are some similar abilities across all these R PG gamesUm, and I think it does become a little bit easier to pick out. You know. Well,I'm dealing a shit on a damage ranged right. You kind of know how to playthis character versus a brand new person, that's picking a ranger andit's like well, I can take an axe or am I like Thohii Fire? My Bows Mor. Youknow what I mean: it probably also comes down to a bit ofrole playing itself, like I don't know like, I would be overly comfortable,the first time role playing as a dragon born or a tfling or a tyfling,depending on how you pronounce it Dli. It's always Tetli who says II haveheard it both ways from Hona. I want to have words with them: Yeah M, but yeah yeah, sorry W as justg. It is importantto note, though, that the standard deviation between theplayerbase choosing, half work and dwarf from this particular Datasetseems to only be about one point: two percent and that true across m the theraces of Hafling teetling, halfwork, dragonborne Y UP TO DWARF THEY'RE, allwithin the same sort of bounds. You start looking at elves and humans.That's when you start seeing: okay, like a big jumps, yeah there, big jumpsand people mm and their choices, which is why, when looking at thebackgrounds hit, stood out to me so much that they're almost identical whenyou start getting into like the inheritor career guild, artisan and youknow, MINUSIA, let's call them of backgrounds as where you start seeingsome decrease in players, and I think that this is probably where you startgetting into like the heavily flavored characters more so than I just want tostart getting up playing Um. Another thing that this data sethighlights and will post the link to this to those who are listening to thisconversation and are interested in this Um as a game designer. It's reallyinteresting to visualize the m the skills and abilities that players haveso Um Jacob here has one a phenomenal job in creating various different visualizeddatasets, and one of them includes the classes and the average skill, persenlia and skills that peoplechoose within those classes and as a game designer. This is an extremelypowerful tool, because this can help you create these balance, encountersthe way that I see this is Um. You idally want to have a party that has abalanced skillset. So it's easy enough to sort of overlay. These datasetstogether M to see you know a Clerik and a fighter right, like you notice that your fighters don'ttend to have too much deception, religion, history or Cono investigation,but that's something that you know having a Clerik and the party couldbalance out so from a story driven sort of perspective. This can help you wrigt encounters for your party and writethese meaningful moments, for your characters to you know, feel important, but you're, not just saying, like Ohfighter rule an inside check and they role poorly and you still kind of haveto give them information to progress. The party along it could be something.That's like you highlight the abilities and skills of certain characters, moreso anyways. So I think that that's a great littletool for balancing and- and I really love all these datasets- that th whenthey come out because like for example, if you look at the Bard, it's like themost balanced of all them like their...

...religion, background, perhaps doesn'tSall e anely has developed, but um I mean, as the Bard you get a lot ofdifferent skills like a lot Um, so it kind of makes sense. It'slike the H, Jack of All Trades Masse, N Lun yeah, exactly like when you've gota bard in your party. You know that skill checks are something that yourparty can accomplish. Yeah, I sure and then in addition, just in general,looking up the overall player base, knowing that h skills that people take proficienciesand, for example, fifty five percent of players have a proficiency in Prinperception, so agan, I'm not entirely sure where this date. I is coming fromassume that this is some web scraping on so the ND beyond or perhaps pickingoff this. It's actually not lited on this document. I don't think most of this makes sense, though, so Iam kind of confused by why Sligdt of hand is so low, though I mean side of hand is something that I Ithink a lot of players tend to take, but not according to this, so which is interesting based on the factthat the rogue classes chosen so often as well. Ah Sorry, just to clarify JacobSolerwin wrote this article, but the data collection and some pre dataprocessing was created by a Githev user, H, Ogan and Ogan m. So I'll include that in the link whenake the post later on for those the M that are interested in the in theegrity of this Um but yeah, I think th, the Scll, sorrywhat we re going to say t I was saying that Um. I was surprised that theslight of hand was so low, considering like as as a overall percentage ofpeople taking it considering rogue is one of the higher classes that ispicked or more frequently right. So yeah, that's true, I guess. Maybepeople are picking rogues, but not diving into that. The thief Syria typetoo often it looks like the rogues are the only class that are taking it.Actually, I think, is more. The thing Barti would be interested to find outthat these are also the most classes that get bottled under a chaoticneutral as well probably surfect of alignment. I wassurprised that first of all, the monks tend moretowards lawful than the Paladins do m, but they also tend more towards evilthan good. That surprised me, I don't know a lot of players that playevil: alined monks, yeah, that's fair, Um, definitely sorcers and barbarians.Being the most chaotic, Oh yeah, that checks out one hundred percent, the emost sense Um yeah, I don't know I don't know about evil monks. I guess Ihaven't really seen that myself too much either Um. That does surprise me. Andeven bards, trending, more towardsevils, wizard, warlock, rogue, makes sense. PALIDAN's being right on theline is interesting, a barded monk just Kinda like I'mlooking at that to go in wet of moral ambiguity. Myiret, I guess, might take neutralmore often, actually um they're more likely to take yes neutralthan good. Specifically, I think, because a lawfulneutral means that they follow their own code. Um is how it kind of puts it, at least inthe players annbook when I was making my monks, Um and so like that would be closer closest that theywould get to to good. Generally speaking, if they do go to good, thenlike that's fine as well, but Um, I would say lawful neutral is the mostcommon pik, probably for them, at least in my opinion, Um and then the evil side might come fromjust people. Well, maybe ther a rogue, a a rogue monk. Youknow left the H, temple and andecided that they weregoing to go out and do their own things or they're becoming selfish orsomething I don't know Um, but yeah. I am slightly surprised at is more orcloser to evil than than good, but neutral would be the would be the up. Well, I would say mostcommonly picked properly. I forwn I'm excited to see how this I Idon't expect I'll make some claims...

...right now. I don't expect that the Umclass selection and skill distribution will change too much as the gameprogresses, but I am excited to see how much perhaps people start taking newskills Um in general and the background choices and the race issort of starting to balance out as five e matures into its M, stable long termplay and long term years of use Um. It is interesting to see, though, thatM, even on the streaming side, this year M, we had a vast increase ofplayers. Again were. I was just looking at the twitchanalytics, just thedungons and dragons theam in general and right about January, the average ofvieweris watching t n D content almost doubled from about two thousandfive hundred to five thousand m average. So we hope that this continues to increaseUm and hopefully that influences the newer player choices and newer combinations of characters thatI'd love to see m streamers have- and I think that's U- it's a it's. Really. It's reallyexciting to see this game sort of Um developing forward and on another noteI feel like we should also get on twitch. You know plug a third circel.Why not? But yeah that's just a little quickreport on some interesting findings that Ia've had this week. Um. I'm surethat we'll do this again, specifically because I love the data aspect of thisgame and I love it as a game beside tool. So you're definitely going tohear about it from me again, but I think that that's Um, that's enoughof that conversation for now, but Jordan, I feel, like you've been preping for some darkness. Yes, so for today everyone prepare yourselveswere about to jump into nine different hills Um, so we are doing H, we're going through the DMG forthose you listening. I were on page sixty four Um and we're going to be talking about thenine hells of Bator, which is a lawful evil, um alignment kind of world or plane ofexistence, and for today that's probably all I'm going to be able toget through because Um, as you guys, probably know it's, the nine house isprobably one of the most talked about planes when it comes to D, nd Um, Idon't know what your guys experiences are with the nine houds like have you?Would you say that that's a fair, a statement? I don't know much about the ninehouseto be honest, but would you say that it's fair, thatit is one of the most talked about in terms of story and, like I guess, characters that might come upd or or gods that might come up? I guess M that kind of thing I've bevlyheard about it. Sure I've definitely heard about it being used, and I thinkthat that's most F thems might use that as a toolto bring up u tebbgyethe Real Baddy Yeah. I know in Braden's campaign we actuallymet one of the rulers of the nine hells already Um, which was scary M, but good. So anyway, I will continue on here, so the nine hills of Batour inflame theimaginations of travelers, the greed of treasurer seekers and the battle furyof all mortal creatures. It is the ultimate plane of Law and evil. It isthe epiteme of premeditated cruelty. The devils of the nine hells are boundto obey the laws of their superiors, but they rebell within their individualcasts most undertake any plot, no matter howfoul to advance themselves at the very top of the hierarchy is Asmodius, whohas yet to be bested? If he were to be vanquished, the victor would rule theplane. In turn such is the law of the nine hells. So as with all of the planes. So far,the nine house does come with a optional rule, but I find that it'skind of odd that this is probably one...

...of the more boring optional rules. Um considering it goes into such a depthof each of the different realms of the nine hells following it and it's, it is used quite often as a tool firstory and that kind of thing in a lot of different campaigns, atleast the higher level ones. Once you get into it, um nine hells is probably one of theplaces that your characters will end up, going at some point M, or at least talkabout or meet one of the Um rulers of of the different layers thereof the nine house Um. So the optional rule is pervasive, evil,which is just any time someone makes a or takes along rest. They have to makea DC ten wisdom, saving throw and on a failed, save their allignment changesto Lawfel evil which becomes permanent after Ondy four days Um. If they move to another plane otherthan the nine hells, then it doesn't become permanent, Um and or the casting of the dispel evil andgood Um will restore them back to theiroriginal alignment, so not not like overly flavorful oranything like we've. Seen from some of the other planes Um, which kindo disappointed me, but therest of it goes into Um, well a breakdown of each of thedifferent layers, because it can be such an important part of storytelling. If I can, I can put out like a hot takeon yeah. This is probably the best one to have aboring optional rule on because it's used so often because it's use sooftena there's so much to do here. Right, like the other planes, are cooland cool to visit. But they don't have that immediate appeal of the nine hellswe all Nart, the ninehels. Everybody plays Te Inde NOWs, the nine housanybody who doesn't play deinded knows the nigt is living Tas Inferno in TTRPG,formet yeah, but Um. The rest of the planes need somethingto Grad the players. They need something to do and somethingtake out of up the staks and up the ante, which is where there's option afrule skimming, there's already plenty enough of that in the nine hellsalready inherent tin the plane right. So it doesn't need that extra. Kickthat the rest of them have mm, and I agree with you. I was justslightly disappointed as all, but I I totally understand why they didit. I was just yeah, I was just like: Oh okay. Well, don't even need theoptional rule. I guess you Kn W. I guess that's why it's an optional rule M, okay, so the nine there are nine layers of thenine house, believe it or not, Um. The first eight are each ruled by differentarch devils. That answer to Asmodius, who is the ARC Duke of a Nessis, theninth layer, to reach the deep deepest layers of the nine house. One mustdescend through all eight of the layers above it Um. The most expeditious means of doing sois the river sticks, which plunges ever deeper as it flows from one layer tothe next. Only the most courageous adventures can withstand the tormentand horror of that journey Um. So it then goes into a description ofeach of the nine hells, so bear with me here. The first layer is a vernus Um.No plainer portals connect directly to the lower layers of the nine hells.This is by Asmodius's orders. As such, the first layer of a vernus is thearrival point for visitors to the plane. A vernus is a rocky Wastland withrivers of blood and clouds of biting flies. H. Fiery comets, occasionallyfall from the darkened skies and leave fuming impact. Craters behind emptybattlefields are littered with weapons and bones showing where the legions ofthe nine hells met enemies on other native H, soil and prevailed. The ARCDuchess zaurial rules of ernus supplanting her rival Bell, who hasfallen out of esmoris's favor and is forced to serve Azariel's adviserTiomot. The queen of evil. Dragons is a prisoner on this layer. RUL ruling herown domain, but confined to the nine house by Ismodius, in accordance withsome ancient contract, the terms of which are only known to Timat and theLords of the nine Zarols Seedo power is a soaring baseout,a citadel fasouned with partiallyincinerated corpses of guests who failed to earn the archdude Duchess'sfavor Zaria Ri appears as a an angel who antswho's once beautiful, skin and wings...

...have been ruined by fire. Her eyes burnwith a furious white light that can cause creatures. Looking upon her twoburst into flames, awesome yeah, so portal to a very chaotic, or atleast seemingly chaotic h to me, even though this is a lawful evil, plane Um with just you know, clouds of flies and craters everywhereand comments and rivers of blood M. Although I guess, if you live therelong enough everything kindof becomes normal see, I just started thinking about aMedusa type character, but instead of turning people into stone, it just setsyou ablaze, yeah, oh Um, some Materasu type ability Um, and I mean it starts right off. I like how rightright off the bat it shows you that H, these, like rulers, are not necessarilypermanent and pretty well. Anyone can take over assuming you can take down.You know the person who's in charge, so Zariol took over for Bell Um, simply for falling out of favor withAsmodius. I also didn't know that Tiamot was actually a prisoner of thenine house. I I had no idea Um. I don't know too much actually abouther. I guess is that something that is um common knowledge. I guess, or is thatlike a if, when you're reading Hord of theDragon Queen and the tyranny of the Dragon? Is that something that comes upor Wan? To tell me about this renumberthis? I I mean you, you already knew this, I'm for sure this is like it's definitely as a DM running quarterof the Dragon Queen. It's in the forward mm that this is just fact thatis known, Um, an it's something I think that's been revealed once or twicealong the to the fact that the culls planning onrising Tamat out of the nine hills yeah. I guess I knew that thinkthe ideO was like a prisoner somewhere generally, like that's part of her Um.I guess story most of the time, but I didn't know that it was the nine housespecifically or that it was the first layer of itthat kind of seems forcarious. In my opinion, it's it's one of those thingswhere I'm just like. Why would they not choose Carsari Yeah? Exactly it'sliterally a prison plane? I never understood why they put her in Hellinstead of in prison MHM. So I guess again it is here like in a I guess, inaccordance with some sort of ancient contract with Esmodius Y. for somereason, tmot has made her domain in the nine house or is prisoner. She can'tleave she's got the Amial Lice of hell, but she can't leave it right. It seemsodd, but it dos Um. I mean it gives you lots of Info tokind o work off of, though like if it's a kind, O cool thing that you can turna story AH pretty easily for Um Yeah Oka. Let's move on TI layer number two.It's called DIS UM. It is a labyrinth of canyons wedgebetween Cheer Mountains, which is rich with iron ore, iron roads span and wind.Through the canyons watched over by garrisons of iron, fortresses perchedthe top jgged pinnacles Um. This layer takes its name from thecurrent Lord, which is dispaiter or depotter. How would you guys pronouncethat Disputter Dicipator, I'm not suredispater DISPATEUR UM? He is a manipulator and a deceiver. Idevilishly handsome burying only small horns, a tail and a Clovan left hoof um to distinguish him from human. So Iguess his other put is a human foot. Um. Is That Im? I reding that rightGaret, that's what I'm reading Er Yeah M. let's see his Grimson throne stands inthe heart of the Iron City, which is a hideous metropolis that is thelargest in the nine hells. So the hideous metropolis is the largest cityin the nine house. GRIGHT UM plainer travelers come here toconspire with devils and close deals with night hags Raxschasaz, Incubi,Sakibi and other fiends dispater collects a piece of every dealthrough special provisions that are added to contracts signed on his layerof the nine house. That's Kindo cool. I...

...like that. It's like a mob boss. I tihYeah Yeah and, like I can kinda like I cou D, I couldm. I could run a storywith that information. You know Um, taking a little bit of every deal. Kindof thing is, is cool. MHE is one of Asmodius as most loyaland resourceful vassals and few beings in t emultiverse can outwit hims more obsessed than most evils with strikingdeals with moral exchange for their souls um his emissaries work tirelesslyto foster evil schemes in the material plane, so I would say, he's probablyone of the more common of fiends. I get Lok if like based on the fact that he'ssupposed to be one of the more interested in doing that kind of thing,but I haven't really seen anyone with him as a a the Ar cipin organ patron. Doesn't he MHM Thirdlayer, Minoris, Mineross, yeah?Sure the third layer of the nine house is a stench ridden bog, a citic rainspills from the layers of the Brown skies thick layers of scum cover itsputrid FR surface and its yawning pits lie in weight beneath the Murk toengulf careless wanderers cyclopian cities of ornately carvedstone rise up from the bog, including the great city of Minoris, for whichthe layer is named. The slimy walls of the city rise hundreds of feet into theair, protecting the flooded halls of mammon. The Arc Duke of minorisresembles a massive serpent with with the upper torso and head of a hairlesshorned humonoid mammon's greed is legendary and he isone of the few arcdevils who will trade favors for gold instead of souls. Hislair is piled high with treasures left behind by those who tried and failed tobest him in a deal. You know when I red Mro his CREPAT Bogias Fuck Yeah. When I read Minoris, I thought Oh, it'sgoing to be like a minator type creature, who runs this kind of thing,but no it's a serpent. Um kind of reminds me of Youont- maybe Oh Godof,yeah also I have like Cyclopeian cities.What is that? Do you guys know Nassive and towering massive and towerent? Okay?Good to know you learn something new every day when you read t nd, H, yeah, he it's kind of interesting that he's sointerested in H. treasures like is that something that he like shows off to theother nine lords and is like look how much power I have or nd. I say I love gold, or is this like a a lobster dude from Mihana? You knowshining in lines on a tangent right now talk about subverting expectations, ngold, member FN, Um Yeah. So flagathos is the fourth layer here,guys Um. It is a fiery landscape who sees of Molten Magma, H, brew, hurricanes of Hot Wind, chokingsmoke and pyroclastic Ash, guys, Isis, the ream of fire here or Um. It's prey,nost h within the firefilled called Ara O flagafass largest volcano rises, abrimaq Um, which is a fortress city of Obsidianand dark glass with rivers of Molten Lava pouring down its outer walls. Thecity resembles a sculpted centrpiece of a gigantic hellish fountain that isawsome. This is like you guys have made it tothe end of Bowser's castle kind of thing like M. it's like the big badevil, guys lair cool Um Aberbok is the seat of power for twoart devils who rule flagathas, intandam, Arcduke, Baliol and Arc Duchess Vierna, belile's daughter. Oh that'sgot to be awkward. Blyl is a handsome powerful powerfullybuilt devil who exudes civility, even as his words carry an UNDERCAundercurrent of threat. His daughter is a statuessue devil,whose beauty in cases the blackest heart in the nine hells, the allianceof Blyl, an FIERNA, is unbreakable for...

...both are aware that their mutualsurvival hinges on it Howso. That was what rose up to me there. Whyis it that their mutual survival depends upon them having some sort ofunbreakable alliance? Well, it sounds like if you, if you can succeed in one upping each other, then you can take overdifferent, realms right MHM. So it sounds like maybe the two of them separately aren'tenough to maintain power MM. The two of them together are HM interesting. I guess that would make sense. Although I mean it's kind of interesting that noone else has managed to either turn them against each other orUm. Take out one then take out the other. Then if that were the case right,they can't a. They have an unbreakable bell, because they're mutual survivalhinges it's right in the bullet, I'm just ready to us. I realize that but skoing anyway, it is kind of cool that thereis two leaders. There is a lot of like role play that you can go um that you can use this. For you know ifthere is, you know, characters who are exceedingly good at turning peopleagainst each other, maybe there's a way to kindof mess with this realm o bit.That would be interesting, Um, but yeah. Let's move on to STYGIA STIGIA is the fifth layer of the ninehells and is a freezing realm of ice with cold flames that burn,apparently Um a frozen sea surrounds the layer and agloomy sky crackles with lighting artduke Um lavistus is was oncebetrayed by Asmodius and is now encased deep in the ice of Cygia as punishment.He rules this layer all the same. Communicating telepathically with hisfollowers and servants, both in the nine hells and on the material plane.Stigia, is also the home to its previous ruler. The Serpentine ArtDevil Gerion, who was dismissed by asmodius to allow the imprisonslevistas to regain his rule. Gerions fall from grace has spurred much debatewithin the infernal courts. No one is certain whether asmodiis has somesecret cause to dismiss the art devil or whether he is testing Jaryon'sallegiance for some greater purpose. Kind of interesting here M that I guess I guess jeon is diferring toasmodious here and allowing Levisisto rule, but like or Livisis is justpowerful enough that he can actually rule wele being imprisoned and onlybeing able to telepathically communicate, not sure what that would look like.What do you guys think we still Aly Communicatin? I don't knowif itwould look like anything es Gote. What would it sound like then yea, she's, stillgatic, communicatives,so thepipob Hasyou would hear something in your head. Is that really hearingit's in your head, then? Okay, all right, a rr. What is her edly if ourears aren't real ar ooreal? That's Gen. I t this. Actually, this is really cool.'cause. There's a m elder invocation for the warlock calledtomb of Levista Yeah Yeah. I encase yourself an ice, an becomingvulnorable.I Never! I never really sought out to the the Labrinin Hind White LD that this is. Ilike thatthothats act, it's really cool Um yeah, but I definitely there's a lotof like rel play opportunity here again for getting Jerryon and Lebisis to kind offight it out. Um. I think I'm pronouncing his name right, but youguys are welcome to Um, correct me there. U, it's yeah! It is interesting that they do, Iguess, to a certain extent defer to Asmodius in in Um in terms of like who is the ruler ofthis realm, despite the lab being like. If you cantake out this person, then you are now the ruler. Alright, let's move on here, MABULGMALBULG UM is the sixth layer and has outlasted many different. Rulers amongthem is malegard the Haig Countess and...

...the ardevil MOLOCC malegard fell out offavor and was struck down by asmodeus an a fit of peak, while her predecessormolock still lingers somewhere on the sixh layer as an imp plotting to regainasmodius's favor Malbog is a seemingly endless slopelike the sides of impossibly huge mountain. That's how Um parts of the layer break off from timeto time, creating a deadly andefinite avalanche of stone. The inhabitants ofMelbolq live in crumbling portresses and great caves carved into thismountain side. MELVULG's Curen, ARARC Duchess, is asmodius's daughter, glasia.She resembles a suckybist with her small horns, leathery wings and forkedtail. She inherited her cruelty and love of dark schemes from her father.The citadel that serves her domicile on the slopes of Melbog is supported bycracked pillars and buttresses that are sturdy yet seem on the verge ofcollapse beneath the Palanceis, a labyrinth lined with cells and torturechambers where Glasya confines and torments those who displate her. So quite a few different players onthis layer of existence, the so malegard the head countess it lookslike has been struck down. Does that mean she's dead? Is that whatI'm? I don't think did nocause? It says,doesn't say M it just has struck down in a fit of peak. Well, Pi Yeah! Idon't know what PEK is, but Um yeah yeah. I I think you're right yeah cause.It says that it it's points out specifically that the other guestsstill ex lingers somewhere exactly evident. Super Cool, yes yeah. He is. She rather be Dad Ed yeah that checksout, which is interesting, especiallyconsidering they give her like the Ha Countess. As, like you know, a title,ind everything. It's a nice title yeah, which is Kinda cool. I guess you could potentially bringthis character back in. Maybe I don't know m: Do these kind of creatures ever trulydie if they're already in healt dropitly the Rus Ov Hel tere ot like the dayright like this, is hell, as we know hell like people yeah itdown here itdoesn't sound like right, Um and then oh yeah, molock being and IMP isawesome. I like that, there's like a once arch devil, is now an IMP and iskind of like going around scheming, trying to like get his power back. Thatcould be really interesting. Um Role play opportunity there for characters and then, of course, glass yeah beingthe daughter of Asmodus, always h, you know comes in handy having familialrelationships you can mess with or ah use to your advantage. I guess this plane kind of seems like I'm Goin, I'm going back to the atatorUm. This seems like been too long. Lit'a couple of weeks I got O get backfromit. It seems like season too, where it's like- oh yeah, everybody else hasdone a terrible job of this, so I'm sending in Azula to finish her. It'slike yeah. Everybody has just completely messed up again and again onthis plane in Kep to suppose rulers Screwi my daughter's now inchre Yep, that's exactly what it sounds like abotauris great for references, guys,sientest all right. What's next, all right, the seventh layer is Mala Domini, it is a ruin covered, wasteland, deadys,dead cities form a desolate urban landscape and between them lie emptyquarries, crumbling roads, sligheaps and hollow shells of empty fortressesand swarms of hungry flies. The arcduce of Maladomini is balzible. He is theLord of the flies or Lord of fly. Sorry I's tis technicalthing, not the name of the book. A bloated fiend with the lower body ofan enormous slug, bailsable belzibles form, was inflicted on him by Asmodiusas punishment for wavering loyalty. Vailable is a miserable and degeneratemonstrosity. WHO has long conspired to usurp asmonious, yet has failed atevery turn. He carries a curse that causes any deal made with him to leadto C calamity, as Modius occasionally shows beiailible favor for reasons noother ardue can fathom, though, some...

...suspect that the Arcduke of Nessisstill respects the worthiness of his fallen adversary. I would assume, or also just screwing,with this guy, like let's keep him in power here for a bit longer every nowand then throw hem my bone just so I can screw with him again later. AH, yeah feels bad for bailable, guys masable, Poor Guy Lug body. No onewants that plus nobody's makes a deal with him, sothere's no reason for anybody to consider or anything exactly and like acurse where any deal you make leads to calamity like it's not even like he cannow go and make a deal with someone to help him take down as Modius without itleading to calamity somehow n interesting. It's an interesting littlelore tidbet. If that's something everybody knows 'cause, it comes up, tries to strike up a deal of people andthey go AH and no we're GONTO DO NRTHI is demon goes along life justknowing that everybody won't strike a deal and trying to trick people actuay that guy that got his ass kickedby his Modius aexactly tly. So, as we've been going throughthe nine hills, I've been following along with Moricat instone tolmafos mm,because there's very very detailed descriptions of each of the legers inhere, oh cool, apparently a bellsbub bailsable. Sorry was previously one of the Ar Dukes ofMalbulk vereybody fails at ruly Bout Rom. Thisaasl sucks, that's Hilarious, and so he was. He wasthe ruler of that tried, Acou against Asmodius failed and, as punishment was turned into this form and for somereason, given dominion over another place, H Yep, that's like Asmodi as thrown him abone. For some reason we don't know, that's so cool. I love it all right, eight layer, almost thereguys Cania, is the eighth layer of the ninehells and it is an icy helescape whose ice storms can tear flesh from bonecities embedded in the ice, provides shelter for guests and prisoners ofCania's ruler. The brilliant and conniving Arcdevil methnistorMephistopheles mephistophales dwells in the iitisolcitadel of Mephistar, where he plots to seize the throne of Batour or which isthe name for the whole plane, the nine house and conquer the other planes he,as as he is as Modius's greatest enemy and ally. The arcduke of nesis appearsto trust mephisoplis counsel. When it's offered Um but methos maphisophles knows he can'tdopose Esmonius until his adversary makes a grave miscalculation, and soboth wait to see what circumstances might turn them against each other.Mephistophelis is also a godfather of sorts to glasia, further complicatingthe relationship. MEPHOSOPHLES is a tall striking devil,with impressive horns and a cool demeanor. He trades in souls as do Aurother art devils, but he rarely gives his time to any creatures not worthy ofhis personal attention. His instincts are as razor sharp asconyas frigid winds, and it is said that only as Modius has ever deceivedor thwarted him who that ASS, second in command here guysyeah the penultimate bus. Yes, exactly ot'sa cool little raid that you could run you know,ncross the nine hells defeating the the demons exactly exactly, and you couldfind different ways of doing it, whether you use them against each otheror whether you you know well, try and take them on physically. I don't know if tha how howwell that will turn out, but you know depends on the party. I guess well it's interesting too, because justlike just the ways that you could run a game right, like Youcul, Ma verysimilar to how WORLDA WAR CRA erades Exn, you know it's like get your partyfive people and you're going to the night, hell nine hells and you haveepic boss battles set up for each one of the layers. Yeah they get down tothe final Bossimodius with lot drops and all syou say that. But I would run this asScott pilgrim versus the world as like...

...a Sitcom. Okay, okayou're telling methat I want to date this girl, but I have to defeat all nine of her evilexis,who also happened to be the nine princes of the nine hells who it's also. It's also story about yourealizing that you're definitely you're. Definitely the repound as she artaningDemi. It's a very problematic story: Statu,Oh ye new written cocm got thatbryeah o touchyou that one a what's next, all right, the last layer, guys Nessis, which isthe lowest layer of the nine hells. It is a realm of dark pits whose walls areset with fortresses, H, they're, Pitfeng generals, loyal to Asmodius,garrison, their diabolical legions and plots the conquest of the multi verseat the Center of the layer stands a vast rift of unknown depth, out ofwhich rises. The great cit citadel spire of Maushime home to Asmodius, andhis infernal court malscheam resembles a gigantic hollowedout stolagmie. The citadel is also a prison for sols. That esmodius haslocked away for safe keeping convincing him to release. Even one of those soulscomes at a steep price and it is rumored that Arcduke Nessus has claimedwhole kingdoms in the past, for such favors Asmodius, most often appears as ahandsome bearded humanoid, with small horns. Protruding from his forehead,piercing, red eyes and flowing robes see as moge is as part of the problemabout the datasets before and even asmodius picks. Human. Even you employed. A human humenoid is basically any creature thatwalks on two legs in dnd Um and has some sort of intelligence, allplayable racest Yeah Aa. He can also assume other forms and isseldom seen without his ruby, TIPPD sceptre in hand. Asmodius is the mostcunning and well mannered of the art devils. The ultimate evil he representscan be seen only when he wills it so or if he forgets himself and flies into arage that is the nine hells happy octover everybody yeah thanks for listening, everyone Um. Ithink I've expended all my time here for this so Braden. I will hand it overto you SONA comment. So in that case, we'll throw it over to methis episode of triple advantage. What's our Yor nametriple advantage sounds right. Yeah Weird, I had like a weird blankoutthere. Rows like is that what sho were doing, yeah sepasote triple advantage is sponsoredby the way of gravitational force and new ISH Mulk sub class from the roalsay: Society lead, Authur, Jordan, my friend right here that just tungedabout the night holse y ever wanted to play as a Jeti. You could Blaz jet. Iyou ever wanted to do weird gravitational stuff, Fir, Tyo r markyou could do weird, gravitation and stuff with your monk. You want to docrazy, flips off of thi ceiling by manipulating gravity and do a strikedown onto your enemies. Yeah. You can do that here available now for pay,what you can on Dem kild and now it is time for talk of the town where we aska question to you, our listeners, Tho Society and then discuss the answers onthis, the podcast right now. So the question that we posed this week. Whatdo you do when your DM gives you down time in a campaign? What's yourfavorite activity to do with that? Downtime favorite activity, Eh Carlos you gotthis one first. I think it depends on the characterthat I'm playing it's Anne ubjective answer, so I haveter with the most relevant character that I've beenrunning, which is Thorndale Max away of the shadow monk Um, given that thorn is Um more what's the word here, I'm also Havo Minlink. Um Um lives a very yes triple events. She lives a verytriple advantage: Life Yeah, no thoron lives a thorn lives, a verysort of simple um life. Minimalist would be like the mostout description that I could put so with regards sit downtime...

...just because we haven't really Doventothe monk training aspect of this character too much Britain, I think theUm, the the his favorite activity indowntime is just going to go fishing with some guys that he met ind waterdeep. So I think that that's that's the oneactivity that I have gone back to do multiple times at was funny. I I enjoythat Aly Wheni said that M and I think it's specially important,because the character of thorin Um has a very poor charisma score. So Ithink in part it's just him trying to make connections outsideof his adventuring party and still kind of struggling we're defaulting to fishing and tryingto make small talk constantly. So hopefully we see those relationshipsdevelop as the campaign progresses, I'm likely to go back to fishing alittle bit F, given the Opportunity Um Mornin Nice Day for Fishan an't, it Huh, that's your character in a netshel. Well, it's great, because I can really go fishing and then get back tothe party yeah relatively easily. I mean I have fifty five movement speed,so I kindof just use that as a I can just Kindo g do whatever in the cityand I'll be back doorn yeah! Okay for me for downtime Um, I would say, like probably the easiestthing to do would be either training or crafting some sort of weapon Um, but Ithink the coolest thing that I would want to do. I haven't actually beenable to do it. You have to have like a higher level Um campaign going for thisactually work is. I would love to get together with the party and like createbasically a fortress of our own Um. You know use some of the higher levelspells to create Um certain aspects of it. That m would bereally cool. There are certain, like defensive, spells that you can put inplace I'd love to put like a telepuotation circle inside one of our.You know very own portresses kind of thing that we can use constantly m. Itwould just be really cool to create like that home base kind of thing, butagain it's like high level stuff, so I haven't actually been able to do it. Um, yeah. Otherwise, like there's alwaysgambling, that's always fine. If you're playing as like a OLS baby, no, no, the gambling, you gotto, makethe moneythese guys Um, at least for my bard character,he's fantastic of that kind of thing. So that's what he's going to go and doso again, your carls is right, it's very subjective to your character, butI would say if I got it to a high level, I got into a high level campaign. Iwould go with building a fortress. You mentioned training Jordan as a DM. Yes,is there anything that you give your players for training, or is that justsomething expected of them Um with regards to their character progression?So for certain skills and abilities you can, I I usually provide things likebooks, so books will give them a skill if they can read it fully m within x amount of time, depending on thescope Nottu for university yeah. But I mean like something likesomething like: If it's a nature skill, you can learn a lot about Um. You knowanimals and and creatures and plants, and that kind of thing from books. Soif you spend your time learning in this book H for you know a few months orsomething like that, then yeah, you now have this skill proficiency Um. You can also learn, I would say if youcan find someone who's proficient in that kind of thing or is known as ateacher of that kind of thing, I I I would like to in my campaigns, throw inUm trainers for different aspects that they might want to train in. So I Ilike talking to my players and saying hey: what are the kind of skills thatyou'd like to learn in the future and then I'll implement those charactersthat they can meet Um to train them in those different things m? I I also am testing out h somethingelse where every time they use a particular skill,they gain almost like an experience point to wards Um uh, getting that skill. So if they do aparticular thing over and over and over again as characters, then there's achance, they can kind of learn it as they go m on their own Um, just over alonger stretch of time, a much longer stretch, time, um I'll, see how that goes and I'll getback to you M it's it's so far. I haven't figured out whether it's aviable thing or not, but it's I think...

...it's pretty interesting, but were that.I the way that I've sort of approached that Um in at least a twom of anilation campaign during that two month period where the party was petrified Umtwo of the party members ended up helping out with the local community soum with regards to like gathering and hunting- and you know just the generalupkeep of a community and Um. The one thing I ended up giving them wasproficiency in there S, I afraid if it was proficiencyr or I just serveblanket called it, they have advantage on Najor checks within Chult, okay,they've spent. You know two months of time with people that live there.Learning about you know what you can eat, what you can't, what you, what isDangeros in the jungles, the top floor and fauna that you can um. So I figured that that would be a nicelittle way to introduce that knowledge to the character without you know,saying something like allrigt. You have, plus whatever into this nature, checksbecause and theearry over well into other regions of the source coast, andI think it. I guess it's one of those things that it's like a localized sortof issue with regards to, if you're running a party of five people, you canpretty much do whatever you want, because, like you're going to berunning a campaign for you know a couple of months and then it's going tocome to an end. So I think it's a different issue. When you're talkingabout your own Um, your own sort of isolatedcampaigns versus some other D, nd games, Kinda, like Um Adventurosli great, where you mighthave to introduce certain rule, sets where well, if a character keepstraining like, do they carry those skills across the table to other dmsandi form those players? Yes, yeah, it's not really 's. I guess it's notreally like a topic, that's relevant to most cases of play in our group, but Um.It's always something that I'm interested in Hower DMS deal with thatkind of stuff which is kind of a nicelitle Sega for theaudience, because M thees a little bit of an announcementhere, you guys are going to start hearing in the coming weeks from otherDMS from our local community, we're starting up another subsegment withinour bonus actions where we're goingto be going around and just meeting andtalking to some of the other TTRPG Game Masters Thotgh we have near US so once we get through that list willdefinitely expand it out to thes society as a whole, but keep an eye ofkeep your ears H. Listening for that and your eyes pealedfor the notifications on your phone, if you're subscribed- and please subscribe Braitan. What about you, though? What'syour favorite a was! I was interested to see about this, because I've heard thatpeople sometimes do like exactly the same thing across campaigns like theygot like an idea of like okay, we got downtime, here's how I optimize it mm,but it's always been like an extremely individual thing. For me, I like to useit to do stuff that relates directly to my character, that I can't necessarilydo with the rest of the party or the rest of the party might get bored if Iwas just doing throagot every single segment mhm so like in Ravnica inoravnig campaign. I play a member of the ORSA gilds named Ceili who's, a AHon basically a a euthinizer for the ORASO. Wheneverpeople can't pay up on their debts, he goes and collects with their life.Oshe's try and kill her for hi. So we, if our URDM Mat, has been really goodabout, like what Wi'll do a h, there's a lot of downtowmn in thatcampain. We do a mission essentially for the guild pack that we're workingfor we complete the mission n across several sessions. We have a session ofdowntime or right before the next mission comes in. You get some time togo back to your guilt and do whatever you want, and I'm constantly doing, H, well, murders, cently, taking contractsthat the ors office put out and going around and completing completing hitjobs for them. How to be a murder Hobo without becoming part of the campaign?Its well you'd be surprised. Actually, it's, it's very, very legal. AnRAFTNIKA Ravnick is a weird place Um, but that was my I take on it. I wasinterested to see what other people had said to this, and I got quite a fewresponses on this taken a look first at Instgram, because I think that this is going to go.Inline was something that you said: Jordan, the GEP to power plantsresponded that he enjoys building PC's home basis. I think it's a cool idea. It's notreally something! That's come up in many campaigns that I've had where wehave our own place. MHM. But I like it. I like the thought, yeah, it's it'sit's just it's so expensive, Um,...

...generally speaking to be able to buyyour own place and then to you know, implement the kind of things that youwould want in that home base. You know it it just it's! It's a high levelthing. It just is yep in our discord, Server user gluse. Thestick, who is a member of myradnco campaign, actually responded. Talk about his experience in theRappnin car campaign, so he plays a symic, an that and what he did in hisdowntime was went to a random mountain plecked, it a bunch of eggs from awinged beast that he was unable to identify and now he's just raisingthose eggs so that he can have a a swarm Abese under his control duringcombat and that's what he does. He just goes home and periodically checks onthe status of these pets that he's raising Oh gosh, sure that won't blow up in all of ourfaces eventually. But looking over our twitter, we got acouple of responses here that I want to talk about at jk. Underscore pubresponded that he enjoys they enjoy ors. They enjoy doing h, flavor things for their character ifthey're a Maj, for example, they like to do research, so it sounds likesimilar to what we've talked about, whatever our characters feel like doing.Yeah a nerd on wheels. Fifteen replied that they h depend what the GM allows, what theDM allows. If it's training, for example, wetalked to a little bit about training, then they would like to try antring oneither skills or feats MHM h again, depending on what the Dmawas wetalk a little bit bout yeah, how we allow that, if that's not allowed, they have twothings that they defall back to. The first is using their herbolism kit tomake potions will inun, and the second is researching people or locations fromtheir specific back story that they can't really tap into in the currentstory in order to help move the plot alog, so they'll go back to the rootsthat they wrote about and then see if they can somehow further alone, themain plots using their own time. HMWHICH is a cool idea. I like thatyeah, but I think that that pretty much wrapsup our lovely session of talk of the town and therefore this episode oftriple advantage. We want to hear from you members of this society. What didyou think of our episode stay tuned for our next question for talk of the Towt,so we can discuss your opinions in your thoughts on these questions, check usout on twitter on Inscram on our diskcord server. All of those thingsare available for you check us out. As Carla said, we'regoing to be doing a kind of a D M panel very, very soon,that'll be coming to you and hopefully not wait. What Day is a day? Yes, hopefullythis coming week, Wi'll have some new content for you. I don't want to revealtoo much, especially because I'm not entirely sure if it'll be this comingweek, but I'm I'm pretty confident it will be. So I keep your eyes peeled.We'll have brand new stuff coming for you, lots of exciting things down theroad and just keep listening. 'cause we'll see you next step.

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