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Triple Advantage

Season 3, Episode 7 · 1 year ago

Ep. 35 - Evil Abounds

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

On this episode of Triple Advantage, we discuss the frosty topics on DM's Guild, Jordan takes us down to some of the more spoopy planes, and we discuss what makes a good villain in this week's Talk of the Town.

Note: this episode has been re-edited due to audio errors in the first 10 minutes.

Ontoday's eposode of triple advantagejoin your three notorious dms. As we look at the frostiest topics on DamsKild, then Jorn takes us into a spoopy territory by diving into the abyss,Cursari hate and Gahenna. Then BRITN DISCUSSES VILLAINS WITH US, the mostmemorable powerful, whatever the society had to say, stay tuned tolisten, as always make sure you follow our socials to stay in the loop of theconversation enjoy the show hello, everybody society members. We told you, we expected this, but ICEWINDALE content. I do be popin thisweek on DM skilled Briten. You brought this to myattention and we have the top three bestsellingunder five dollars are all icewindale companions, AIDS FOR DMS the're, not one shots which to me is a littleexpected because you know you have the entire adventure next to you, Um, but interesting that players are looking for more content onIcwin Dale, even though I was just released Um. Do you guys think that it's not filled with as much information on the geography and background BIC Oneon? IsPlayers are looking for known? What do you guys think? What do you guys thinkthat that means with regard to how the player base for Five E is Um? Changing as the game progresses? Just look at it from a slight thecompanion stuff. I would assume that players would not en get them okay Um. Secondly, this is a campaign book. Yes,not a world book Ancorrect, I believe so, but I do think Carlos. Maybe youknow a little bit more again: I've been trying not to read too much into thebook en they were actually picking it up and leading into the book, but Um. Ibelieve it's both. I don't think it's on the level of chelter. It's likehere's like a whole new content, hathon right, but there's not a lot ofexisting information on. I swindale the locate right on tentouns on this R tat, Onis Garden Um. What are the companion gods is contains, for example, DM notes, sampleplot lines, yeah expected difficulties, another one has cheat sheets for Iceland, Dale placesof interest, um a bigger table on williness encounters, and then you hawrunning what one Um uh foundry, actually vertal, tabletopready and countermaph, which is really cool to see. Something that I wanted todoubt is yeah. There's actually something that Han to talk about, butwe'll get to this in a latter episode, but yeah go ahead garden. The the onlything that I heard there that is concerning to me is tha chapter one orhow to run the chapter one, because what I'm hearing then other than thatis they've written a campaign that I hope is is good enough. That um the actual plot line to it, is fun and enticing and is something thatthe D Ms Are like. Oh, this is really cool, but I want to know moreinformation surrounding the area and, like, like you, said, a lot of theinformation there has to do with like different places that are thin tat arthere maybe different types of encounters that you can throw up them.That kind of thing m. But if the campaign like the plot line is createdin a in a good enough manner, then then that's what should be included in thatmodule and then they build the world around it right. So what that extra information might beis just the DMS going. I want more information written about this stuff sothat I know how the world is run, but technically you could run ICEWAND Dalewithout it, and you wouldn't have to know all that, like all the different continentalarrangements and things like that Um so for charlts, if it's anything likelike I'm, mostly going off of h the stuff that I've read, which is Hoardeof the Dragon Queen and really just wildmount other than that and wildmount is a like world buil world thing.

So it doesn't have a lot of campaign init so much as it has a world built into it, and then you have to go and makeyour own campaign for it. Hord F the Dragon Queen was a campaignthat felt like it didn't have a world surrounding it. So I'm guessing thatthis is the same here for Iceland El. If it's a campaign module, so the DMSwould want to go and look for that world aspect of it so that they canplace it into their own campaigns or so that maybe they don't have to do theextra work involving like other random characters and places of interest et Cetea, yeah Um. Yes, I agree, but at the sametime I agreed that horr o the draing queendidn't have a ton of information about the world around it mm, but the worldaround a the art of the Rangn Queen Campaign and the follow up. Tyranny ofdragons is the sorts coast and with at has a full swords coast compedion,where you can grange all about the world exactly when they allowed Lod atcpanions would be for right for sure, but but here so far in when theyintroduce new locations like the swords coast and like chilt and like Baroviaand Cursiv strod the the module, with the exception of asource ghoast ECAUSE, they already had a Prett existing module all about it.The module will contain the relevant information, an eflesh out the worldaround it orde the Dragon Queen Interny or a bit of an exception as one they're,the older modules they're, I think the oldest looking heard of the draingqueen and too, like I said, the information already existed in anofficial capacity, so there was no real need to rerelease it alongside the bookhere we have something: That's not been fleshed out, not been discussed beyond this source book to anextent they're ill iliiteit. There is so many of it through that people justreally like it and want to know more just really like what the campaignMontra like if you're really interested in something and sure campaign modelesgive you the necessary information, but there's always stuff, that's kind oflet out, there's always more that can be put in you know. So if people reallyenjoy the stuff, maybe they just want you know of Thi t could be really cool.Its adds some more stuff in here. What else is there? You know, I thinkthat in general this falls in line with Um, what we've seen with other modules thathave come out right like a it's, the hot buzz word, so it's likely that allthese chapters and releases from people are getting morecliques in general m, but then looking at it from a different perspective, aswhile here Um, when the the assumption that is being made in this case is that theofficial release from wizards of the coast is not as flushed out as it should be r likethat. That there's details missing, and this is whyplayers have to be looking for AMS, external um sources of content for it,but in general, right like what's the difference between this and the you twovideos that are definitely going to come out about how to run theseencounters and how I tha mores experienced. The M am telling you guysthe audience how to run these encounters right. It's H, it could have been a very easy stepthat this channel could have taken in general. You know we could have hadmore segments of like regarding that kind of content. So this doesn't really. This is kind of in line with that Ra,like all these released modules on paper, are just more people interested in this module,generating more content. That will you know that yeah that other people mightenjoy and Ho Billy. I aktes it easier for DMS to run the thing base exactlyright, like it's yeah, no, and in this case right like we have again, wetalked about this last week, but we have licensing limitations where all ofthese people would not be able to release any of thos anywhere else,Xmerdm skild right, so that also plays a huge factor Um and Um ther strengd.But the thing that I, that sort of set outto me was that Um that by and large it is a lot of DM'sgode. So there must be more dms buying content for them right the now. This might be an inherent thing,because players aren't going to look at DM skill to find more. You know,character content, but there might just be Um a bigger interest in deming now thatthe game and that the player base his grown as well, which is kind ofexciting Um...

I'd love to run a full of DM's game oneday. I think that that'd be super cool Um, but yeah Um. I guess one of these things is that we'll haveto keep watch on these trends as well. Right like if this becomes a case forthe next release and the next module, I wonder what kind of little spin offarticles are going to come up for Taushous cald everything as well mm Um, but yeah? It's a it's been aninteresting little H, little ride so far with the IcelandDale. I think it's definitely been like the they marketed. This quite heavily, like you have a little lef compared to the other ones. In myopinion, Um and H, it makes more sense. I they giveus trying to grow the audience even further, but H. where do you guys thinkwe'll we'll go next? Er We've gone north we've gone south for chalt Um across the water movie bore in Wa Amers. Where does Saltmarshtake place? Alt Marsh, I believe, is just kind of in the water OCO where,where are you from in to Enihilation Jordan? What's the nameof that place? Oh it was no um carless. I don't remember Carlos. Doyou remember what it's called? I would have to look it out. Yeah I do Um. Weloosely said that your character was from Halrua Ri, a Landere Rong far farfar east from Um Chult, I mean in general there's plenty of locations andI'm not asking you guys to like memorize the map of toral but um. Ifyou manage to find a really high quality one of those take some time andlook through like there 's some deep lore, that's been created by thecommunity over these years, Wi would like to see calum Shan come next, whichis kind of it seems like a Arabia type setting Goland Andy very ancient. Thereis an official, not an official but there's a Um Callumchan adventurers guide on DMskilled from mpty black, who is one of these DMS kild creaters who's just beenelevated to absolute God's status by this point because of the range and absolute depth of his UH creations. So this is like it's heavilyadvertised on here. It's one of the best sellers on the site. I would loveto see that in some official capacity- and I I'd love it if he was brought onto do it ecause, it looks fantastic. That's a pretty big! Pretty big placeUm, it's crazy to think about t rightbecause, like 've only been daming for sort a short little while now and Ifeel like I've- explored a lot of Chi, look at the rest of the sorts coastpathand it's massive Ir, so you gotto get those higher levels.'CAUSE, there's definitely reasons whyeverything gets largely unexplored is because nobody wants to travel iftheythey know how to tell ipport what do you mean, Walk Yeah? What areyou talking about? IJUST pay for this, like snossit hasn't man since so I'm a rich monk, just I'm goant topay for it, youavs class Tickit, please what Ta High Quality Telefor, the onethat doesn't make my insides turn upside down on the other side, there's always space for flavor, guysabsolutely, but with that IDM Jordan, yes, O you mind taking on the reins ofthis show and taking us to. Where are we going? I in we are going to theabyss guys? Oh Man, we're divining the DMG we're going into page sixty two,the dunge master's guide, its talking all about the outer planes Um, which are more of the spiritual, realmsand such we've been through. I think eight of them now so far, and I'm goingto try and do another four here so that next time we can get into the nine hells which is going to belong one but yeah. The abyss is probably thenext longest one here and it's Gonto be awesome, guys, okay, Um, so the abyss is a chaotic evil, believeit or not. That's the aligment of it. I will read the small description hereand then I'll kind of go over the optional rules and all the other stuffit has here for it but yeah. So the abyss embodies all that is perverse,gruesome and chaotic, its virtually endless layers, spiraled downwardevermore into evermore appalling forms,...

...each layer of the abyss boaths its ownhorrific environment, although no two layers are alike, they are all harshand inhospitable. Each layer also reflects the untropic nature of theabyss. In fact, much of what one sees or touches on the plane seems to bedecaying, crumbling R or in a corroded state, not a place. I'd want to be guys. Baka Oian party, spor yeah, not so fun, so the BIS's optional rule here iscorruption, which is Um. Everyone has to make DC ten charismasaving throws whenever they take a long rest there. If they fail Um, then they get a state of corruption soand there's four different states of that corruption, Um and I'll go over those in a second Um. If, after they've been corrupted, they canmake another DC. Fifteen Chorismus aving, throw at the end of long reses,rests sorry M and on a successful, save or a dispel aevil and good spell magic or something similar that removes curses can alsoend that if a corrapted creature doesn't leavethe plane within Ond, four plus two days, its alignment changes to chaoticevil as well again. The dispel evil and good spell can change or restore thatcreature to their original alignment Um so and those are for nonevil visitors.So if you go to the abyss with an evil alignment, then you are fine. You won'tbecome corrupted, which is kind of funny, because I feellike the evil characters might actually enjoy some of this corruption Um, sothat four different types here are treachery: bloodlest, mad ambition anddomonic possession Um so treachery the character gains thisfollowing flaw. I can only achieve my goals by making sure that mycompanions don't achieve theirs. Bloodlust is I enjoy killing for itsown sake, and once I start it's hard, it's hard to stop mad ambition is, I am destined to rulethe abyss and my companions are tools to that end and then demotic possessionis really Kinda, interesting, Um. The character is possessed by a domoticentity until freed by a dispel, evil, Gor and good or similar magic. Whenever the possess character rolls aone on an attack role and a billity check or a saving throw tha demon takescontrol of that character and determines that character's behavior atthe end of each of the possessed characters turns he or she can make aDC fifteen charisma saving throw onxix on a success. The character regainscontrol until he orshe rolls another one. I just want ot rewind a little bit to when you weretalking about the the flaws and Um new goals of the evil characters, and I kindof Flippe back to ourconversation on the alignment chart. Yes, that description there to me issomething that should be shown to players with regards to charactercreation as well. We've had our discussion on thealigntment charts. If anybody wants to listen to that, it's in one of ourbonus actions in our previous episodes, but just to continue on the conversation.This is a much better definition of what an evil character is because Ifind that, like a lot of characters or players might choose like. Oh I'm goingto be like a chaotic evil character, because I want to be like a edgy andbad and like do bad things, but, like the items you describe are actual evilthings. So if you don't Aligne with that, then you're not an evil characterand that's such a much clearer way of defining what evilcharacters are and due um in game right, because then you don'thave to attach those those motives to any particular character race right. It's just if the motives of that personof that creature are, you know, fall in line with this little box, and you knowyou have yourself an evil character, and I think that I would have been somuch clearer for players initially right, 'cause like usually even if youhave like a character. That's like! Oh I'm, trying to like look for my owngood, but, like you don't mind stepping on other people.Well, that's not really an evil character; Righ, that's just kind of myoch character, but it's Kindo hard to identify what what that little extrastep is to make them evil right. I finish in the players' handbook whenyou are creating characters Um in the. I think it's chapter fourcharacter options...

...where it goes over backgrounds and suchI think it talks a little bit about m ideals, bonds, flaws and something else,but I can't remember what that last thing is Um. Let me just look here fora quick second uh. Oh personality traits, okay M, so Ithink in the in that section it actually goes over like differentpersonality traits and ideals and bonds and such that you can choose as thatcharacter, and it kind o gives you like. Oh if you choose this personality trait,this is more in line with Wafl, or this is more in line with evil, and this ismore in line with neutral. Now. I've never really liked the whole likepersonality chace, because I feel sometimes it can pigeonhold yourcharacter a little bit because a and it just doesn't quitematch up with what I wanted my character to be it's good for, likeideas and I'll like flex, it a little bit sometimes to to make it work towards my end M, but usually like I haven't, found anysituations where I've really wanted to be. Like, Oh yeah. That's a an ideal ora bond or a flaw that I've really really enjoyed, and I really want tohave on my character. Um Most of them just kindof seem a littlebit Vinilla. So I just I like trying different things, so I, like my edgeLord bonds, Oky. Well, no, but that's what I mean likeeven like the edge edgy stuff like I find, is kind of well vanilla. It'sit's like yeah, okay, witi, ourist, oon, Mostsareat, oe CAS to St talk aboutthis. I tracked my bed but yeah. I do like this corruption, stuff, it'sKinda cool, gaining those different personality, t traits as a result of being in the abyss too long or M or Hor failing these saving throws, is, is a good idea. I like that Um yeah, the domonic possession one isreally cool too rolling a one to have it. Takeover is kind of interesting. Itjust kindo adds a little bit more flavor to that natural one. Oh nowness I'L I'll, reiterate my usual stance,which is that I hate telling players how to play their characters. Mbut.This one has potential because I'm looking at this and I'm thinking backto a couple of things, one is a critical rule in CA. I don't thinkyou've seen thiss Jorgan, but Carlos will know what I'm talk about in thefirst season. Ther character of Grug gets a sentientsword, yes, and that sord its continues to grow and it has hat bloodless to it. Yeah erves. Is it Avethe Tebers, it's not okay, it's just entendor, supereval sort and as he uses it, the Moore. It's likeit's not like Um, you feel compeled like you have to start doingthis stuff until it hurts a certain point, then it's like. Oh, you need tomake a wisdom, Saing, throu, otherwise you're going to do this ecause, that'show righ, after this words become yet it starts off as the DM really playingintowards, how they think the character willrespond to that and playing in towards it. This is the Vibe, and this is whatthis word is telling you to do, and he does a great job of trying to tie itinto what he already knows about the character to exploit the character andthe player to play the character in that way, which I think is amazing. I've beentrying to weave that a little bit into what I'm doing cause Jordan inArcaninas. You very well now M you've recently picked up a a somewhat wanted traveler inside yourhead in the F, relatively evil entity and I'd nevertell you as and I've had that discussion with you that I' nevertelladded that you're now evil Gran left. You play the cartehowever youwant, but I am not hesitating to whenever there's a more difficult orgreat decision, I'm I'm in the back of your head, going like she's she's inthere telling you that to take the evil, wrote on this oneshe's hat Yu incharacters and voices in your head. That's that I don't know okay you're weay susceptible to that,apparently I mean the first one was not my fault,the second one I kind of walked into it. She is' The guy. Now you SI withwhomultiple voices an Pars Yeh. Apparently one brain is not enough forme yeah okay, so I man, I quickly move onhere. Sorry to cut US short there a little bit, but it goes on here in the abyss to talkabout the different, important layers...

...um of the abyss. So there is aninfinite number of them, but there are certain ones that are consideredimportant specifically for the rulers of them. So there's the Gabe Ma, which is um the demogorgans layer Um. Basically, it's a twisted um massive primegal continentcovered in dense jungle. U surrounded by a seemingly endlessexpanse of ocean and Brin Flats Um. He rules the Demigogran, the prince ofDemons, H, rules from H, two different towers, two serpentine towers, each Toweris, topped with an enormousFang skull and it kind of like plays off of the demogorgens to different H,splt personality or he I I looked up the monster in themonstermanual a little bit just to get a better idea of what it's talkingabout here and the Demiorgan has two heads on it: Um each of them are mad, AH, and theyfight against each other. Almost constantly I kind of re reminds me of I thinkJanus is the. Ah, I think it's Roman or creek yeah is therotating yeah. Has the two heads two differentpersonalities? Basically and they just they fight against each other Um allthe time? And so that's the only thing. Apparently that's holding pack thedemoborgan Um for our listeners that are more inclined towards H, strangerthings. This is not the Samegenic Orgonyeah, not the same unfortunalely.I do know that does exist within the DEA Canon ow yeah. I yeah, I think the Demogogan fromstranger things is closer to a mindflayer. Maybe I'm not der? No! No, no different different creature,but different ATS- I don't know Um yeah, so different, different Emagorin,though definitely for this Um. Okay, another layer, that's importanthere for the abyss is Tanatos M, which is run by orchis Um. He basically controls an undead realmum and everything here is bleak. Howling,wastelands m called the oblivions and Um. Just everything is dead here, basically, andif orchas had his way, all realms would be like this, and all creatures would be part of hisundead army. That's kind of his goal, at least fromwhat I'm reading here m you've got the Demon Web, which is Lolflar, which isan immense network of magical webbing. I think it's really cool. They go on todescribe a little bit about how um the webbing kind of like has random portalsthroughout it, and so things end up there from thedifferent demiplanes and the material planes Um, and it's- and it's also used at thesame time by the Spider Queen Servants to Um, to build Um and to have like underground, passageways andways of getting two in front places without being noticed. It's it's kindof interesting Um. It talks a little bit more. It's as farbeneath these dungeons lies. The bottomless demon web pits where theSpider Queen actually dwells Um, where she's surrounded by her handmaidins,the Yoklo Um, which apparently outrank mightor demon, specifically when in theSpider Queen's realms, yes, creepy Yakmeai've, always foundloaf, super fascinating and the me mister general species superfascinating. Yes, I'm still I'm very against the idea of labeling races asevil specifically M, but I do I do like the drow and the whole vive at the drauand this whole kind of underground community. This whole matriarchalcommunity devout to the spider goddess MHM. I love it. Yeah we got the endless maze here isanother layer Um. The M Ra maze is bafflemets M. it's a basically a, neverending dungeon, which holds the horned King's enormous Zigarett Palace, whichis a confusing jumble of crooked hallways, a myriadave chambers and Um. The Palace is surrounded by a milewidemoat, concealing a maddening series of submerge, stairtunnel and tunnelsleading deeper into the fortress.

It's just confusing um sounds like I es puzzle, Ci YeahYeah. It's also a great place if you wan, to like leave someone to just kindof rot for a while. You know Yo 'd check them there. Um The triple realm is the dark princegrads gradjust. I don't know how to pronouncethat ewas like a Hella, unnecessary, apostrophe, a agr so for thoselistening, it's Gra Zaid a postrophe Zadta Rezus, it grasid yeah, it's ever weird. He rols over this realm Um, whichencompasses three different layers. Um his seats of power is the fantasticargent palace Um Ohso. This place is bustling with amarket place and like the pleasures of the palaces kind of draws visitorsfrom a multiverse Um, mostly in S, in search of obscuremagical, lor or perverse delights. So this is, I guess, the place that you'd want toend up in if you were going to the abyss Um. So there is kind of some sort ofcivility here at least, but people can go missing and it's not like people aregoing to care there. So Um the last place that it goes on todescribe for the abys as a an important place is the deaf dels Um, which isyenogoose. He rules this layr Um, and it has basically creatures here, have to huntand survive even the plants which much which must bathe their roots in blood and snare the unwary yeah. It's it's it's it's about: sating, hunger and Um. I guess eating and feasting on allthings. Um, not exactly one place. I'd want to go. Soer sounds young, the abyss, everyone I find it interesting. I can't rememberI I'm not it's not like I've memorized, the DemonLords off the top of my head, but the one that does take out to me. I've beenbecause I' Believ in research on it is for my campaign is Pezuzu Anhe's heisdemon, Lord, that has particular significance to the whole lore of the Dand and then he's responsibeoincreating the devil King Asmodius mhhe's a veryimportant figure. So I'm surprised that they wouldn't include him and his realmin the the abyss or in the nine house, because those are two different spots.He's a he's. A Demon Lord though not a not one of the devils o think he wouldbelong in the abyss hm. I am not sure that is a veryinteresting point. I will try and look that up, but I'm starting to run out of timehere so um, I'm GOINGNA quickly go through the next couple ones here. Sofirst we've got carsary, which is the model for all other prisons inexistence. CARSARY is a plane of desolation and despair. It's six layershold vast bogs, fetted jungles wind swept deserts, jagged mountains, frigid,oceans and black ice all form a miserable home for traders andbackstabbers that are trapped on this prison plane. So the optional rule forC carsary is no one can leave carsary, easily magical efforts to leave theplane by any spell other than a wish, simply fail portals and gates that openonto the plane become one way only. There are secret ways out of the plain,but they are hidden and well guarded by traps and deadly monsters. That is awesome. CARCERITE is so coolRie yew that I've looked up in advance of this because it does exist withinthe world of my humbre campign. The one Twicz, I don't think is toomuch of as woiler for hew, Jordan, whos theone. First on that listens to this.I don't think it's too much of a spoiler to say that I've kind of ittaken the idea of carsribeing the perfect prison to an extreme to theidea that anyone who sent there there is a cell specifically made to holdthem mm. Everybody has their own very specific cell. That's meantspecifically to counter any escape from them in particular, Ahow, not not not torturous, specifically,but ineciepable, comparentl and utterly...

...inescapable cool you' have to becomesomeone else to escape Shedra that hm cool quickly. Moving on once again, Haitesis the next realm here. So haites Um is has, has sorry, is the three glooms.They are places without joy, hope or passion. It's a Greyland with an ashensky. Hittes is the destination of many souls that are unclaimed by the Gods ofthe upper plains or the fiendish rulers of the lower planes. These souls becomelarvai and spend eternity in this place that lacks a sun, a moon, stars orseasons, leaching away, color and emotion. This gloom is more than mostvisitors can stand. The shadow fell, despair rule a rule earlier in thischapter can be used to represent a visitors despair which I think you talked about a littlebit. Braiden MHM, Um, there's also another optional rule here called thevil transformation, which is when you take a long rest. You have to make a DCten, a wisdom, saving throw on a failed, save the creature gains one level ofexhaustion which can't be removed, while the creature remains on hates. Ifthe creature reaches six levels of exhaustion, it doesn't die. Instead,that creature permanently transforms into a larva, whereupon all levels e ofexhaustion afflicting the creature I removed a larva is a rem, a miserablefiend that retains the facial features of the previous form, but has the bodyof a fat worm? Olarva has only a few faint memories ofits previous life, and the statistics are here as well, for it hates is just crawling with these Larbiand then all the other creatures that live here like nighthags, litches andRakshasas um harvest them for vile rituals or feed on them. But how scary would that be? There's a really cool game that I havea PC game called the void and the concept of the void is that you'ressentially is not quite clear if it's hell or if it's limbo or what but youdie. And you end up in this place, and the entire point is you're drained ofcolor is a completely black and white worldand if you have color you're able to retain your sentience and your personality, but as you explore thisworld you're slowly, insteadly leach of it until you become essentially yourbody wiland transforms into one of these devolition denizens of this placecalled thevoid, and if that's not directly, based onthis description of Hanes, I would be fored this place. The fact that it leaches away color and emotion,everybody that spends time here until they eventually become one of theselarva- that's that is one to one comparison to this game. I love it. Ilove it so much. It's Great Um, I did forget to say the alignments of Carsariand hities, so Carsri is neutral, evil and chaotic, evil and hates is justneutral people which make sense. The curser e always confuse me. I always figured curser. I would bealmost a true newfroplace just because it is a p. It is, but I guess it's specifically for a miserable home for the traiders andbackstabbers that are trapped on this prison plan. So I guess it's because ofthe people who live there more so than the actual place itself Um, or at least that's my guess. Gehenna is the last place I want totalk about today. It is a neutral evil, latful, evil, plane gahenna is the plane of suspicion andgreed. It is the birthplace of the Yugolofts, which dwell here in greatnumbers. A volcanic mountain dominates each of the four layers of Gehenna, alesser volcanic and lesser volcanic earthberbs drift in the air and smashinto the Greater Mountains. The rocky slopes of the plan make movement heredifficult and dangerous. The ground inclines at least forty five degreesalmost everywhere in places steep cliffs and deep canyonspresent more challenging obstacles. Hazards include volcanic fissures thatvaunt vent, naucious fumes or Syrin flames. AGIHANNA has no room for mercyor compassion. The fiends living here...

...are amongst the greediest and mostselfish in all the multiverse. The optional rule here is cruel,hindrance. Um the planes cruel nature makes it difficult for visitors to helpone another. Whenever a visitor casts a spell with a beneficial effect,including a spell that restores hip points or removes a condition. ThetCastor, mustfirst make a DC ten charisma saving throw on a failed, savethe spell fails, the spell slot is expended and the action is wasted. I just just had to look at youguloffbecause I'd never heard of this before it just ad, just as an extra little thing to t atto this plane. Could we add, your sock is always wet, but it essentially says that m theUgolas were believed to have been the pupamasters behind theblood war which is centrally devens versus devils, so th the fact that theylive in a place where it's all about suspicion in greed, like all aboutlooking ut for yourself over others, seems supervitting MHM, yeah Um, and I can't believe it. Forty fivedegree inclines everywhere, guys that seems like a workout go be home to Aff by the time you getoff this nbut. I think that is all for me for today, thanks for listeningeveryone and I'm going to hand it over to Braiden H to takeover for the next part for sure,before I jump into that this epsode of triple advantage brought to you by theCollege of enchantment, a Spartic subclass available now on DMskilld from our lead, rader Matnewman and the Ruyal citys society. If youever wanted to play as a bard who was able to work there, INAT magical,whispering and whatnot into actually enchanting items into turning itemsinto temporary magical items. Definitely something that I wouldrecommend checking out to it comes with a full subplus, as well as a list ofdifferent enchantments that you can view your items with on this class. Iis avaiable now for repay what you want on DM Hill check of the link in orbioon any of our social media pages, but for now, let's move on to oursegment talk of the town where we reach out to you this society with equestion,that's been a we've been pondering and we like to see what you out there werethinking. So this week's question is h. what's a villain that you played that really stood outas an amazing villain and why? What made this particular villain so anthralling for you, I can go ofirst on this one. I guess H. So that's a super interesting question. Iguess I would first want to like tofine Um Villain, and you know 'cause 'causeyou're, asking why. Why do I think, like a villain, would be a good villainand there's all kinds of different good buillains like is the villain likesuper evil, and so it got me like stoked up to really wan to like murder,him 'cause, you know or or is it just like a good villainbecause he was so difficult to take down and he was playing the long gameor Hewas really strategic, so there's all kinds of different, like goodvillains that you could have out there right M. I think my favorite so far has been Um. I think Joba from your campaign, BradonUm. He was just everywhere. He had his hand ineverything. It was just really like Um. I don't know he was kind of like aking pin of the town, and it was just great to like Kindof. Take that guydown because Um I don't know it felt great because hehad his hand everywhere and, and it seems like he had infinite resourcescomparatively to us Um. So I I enjoy the more strategic, longterm villains, but if I can get like really stoked upand really mad at a particular guy, I obviously love taking those guys downtoo. So I know a few people have really from our campaigns. I've really talkedabout murdering this one particular person that pissed them off a few times. Um I've only interacted with that person afew like one time. I think so, I'm not that invested in it as as a person. Soit's not my favorite Um right now in my campaign, I'm running a...

...almost a more neutral character, butthe players absolutely hate her. It's Great M. I just had her be a morepompous Um and like smug person who wasn't really going to help them, andso they just instantly took a disliking to her and they they, you know, won'tstop talking about how much they like hate this person. So it's great mcreating that rival for them, just Kinda, gets them emotionallyinvested, and I I think that makes a good villain I'm going to put a pin in something yousaid: Jon Ecause. He ton is on what a lot of our listener said, but we'll getback to that T carliss. What do you think about this? Anything you describe too much. My answer was it'sbig as a joke. Thasshould be, but adore somethingi think what makes a good villain is what you, the time that you put intocrafting one Um, the time that the players have exposed to them, because Ithink m and the longest campaign that up en the to of a eolation campaignthat I've been running, you guys have gone from villains tovillains Um, but there hasn't been. You know one large villain, largely justthis tomb. You know loosely that it was madefor somebody at this point. Ight N. Some of you have a name Um. Some of you have an Inklang, but it'sbeen sort of touched upon a very roundabout mannerthat I don't think has been big driving factor for y. The partyright. You know we're not going to defeat bad guy ey. You know so it's been interesting sort ofworking with Um the villain of T, a story in this campaign, and I think it's beenlike those moments where we get down to the Nitygridy, and you know I'mstarting to describe these enemies and at least the responsethat I've seen from you guys is. You know more investment in the combat,both in descriptions from what you guys are doing versus you know the Medusa. Initially it was a littlebit built up, but it ended so quickly. The first time that it wasn't really.You know you didn't have the time to sink, that your teeth into the villain itself, orat least for that little dungeon and unfortunately that module doesn't Um,doesn't tug. You along you know with the ax of somebody, like you said,Jordan, you know, has their hands and fingers and pockets and you know tieand they just pulled ast their mine strings across. I don't think I haven'thad the chance to run um a character like that. So my answer goes back to, Ithink, just the more you describe Um the an antagonist in the situationright like that's. What makes them goon makes the players care for, because ifthe players don't care for the villain, then it's they might be extremely extremely bad and extremelyevil. But if thepairs don't care ultimately right, they don't exist inyour story, so they wouldn't be impack Tbet of a round about answer. But it'sunfortunately, because I haven't really had chance to run many gvillins that Ienjoyed Um from movies and t vs. obviously we havelike it'sliny to choose from, but that's notoriginal contents yeah I'll leave it at that. For now. I I'm reaching way back for this one,but one of my favorite villains is: he was less of a villain and more justlike an aggressive thorn in the side of my party, and this was actually a campaign thatboth of Youwerin it was the first campaign. I ever ran the first hombrewthat I did and there was a particular Um nobleman named Lord Valentine and hehad originally hired the players. The party to m complete a task for him, which wasessentially cleaning a very possessive, demonic, plant entity out of his garden, but afterwards after they had done this,he paid them for what they were promised. But he revealed that, like I'm, actuallylike the the king, because of what I've saidhas taken a shining to you, you're, officially working for the KIG. Now youdon't have a choice: yentually just completely Shanghaid the party into into constrict conscripted servicefor the king, because that's what he felt like doing and the best one of the best moments. Ithink I've ever had in a campaign during that first encounterwhere you lot were clearing out this Um...

...demonic entity. One of our players died,one of the Lenin characters died and at was the first time I've ever um I ar yeah exactly so, and this was the first time I think Ithink it was the first time any of you had played in the party wore characterand died. So it was one of our very early campaigns yeah. He despatches you on this next buestand, as he goes to leave, he's about to leav through the door and he turns backand he goes Oh try not to get anybody killed on this one and he walks up aand I distinctly reo o group Paledan. He sais. I stand up. I pulled my swordout and I throw it as hard as I can n te Hor after him ut I was like it was just such aviseral outburst of like raw anger from this boated, this player and thisplayer character, and I just like felt that's right. Oh it felt so good, but I think that that ties into whatour society talked about and what you mentioned already Jordan a'm going toread a couple of responses that we had Hor because on our twitter on ourinstogram and on our discord discussion, I had one pervasive thing that came upover and over again Um on our incramfirs O. Look at it. Our friendthe the power plant responded with Um an individual that he played namedMartin Salmon Salmond Martin Samand a pompous noble. He was not the bbegbigVadieval Guy, but the uhplayers loved to hate him Yeaon twitter. We had it'sGodw there we go. We had at monsters under schoor multi, respond Jarlaxel, who is the main antagonist inwater, deep dragonheist, and they say that they taught him eror. He taught them a lot about how tomake a true villain, because this individual made him a true fooil to theparty and just built him out overtime until he was absolutely despised by theentire Party until he says thwartin him was a Cathersis for them h and in ourdiscord discussion. Our good friend Alex a member of the Rose Society, aplace actually you're in this campaign, as Welltroren yeah there's a certainbaron son who's, overly proficient at being an Aspel, very fun. Knowing he'snot going to be doing it for so long. There is something about crafting avillain and crafting it. Well to the point where your players absolutelyhate that villip wer- it's not just. This is what the quest tells us to doso we're going to do it. It's not just we've been giving this job by the king.So we're going to go, kill this guy, it's it's both the characters and theplayers themselves. Absolutely despise this individual, with every fiver oftheir being. Now to the point where it's Cathortic, when you finally get tosee them die or gen't, see them yet ther come of is yes, I think I don't know. I don't make alot of villains. I like I like to play in a very great world, especially nowthat my party has gone into kind of murder, Hobo territory Um, but I think that being able to craft avillain, thats just universally hated, isn't hartful mhm you're going to have to start crratingheroes, foryheis universally aeae. Besides that we um had some goodresponses and our discord server, Brad User Brad said he ran a campaign in anindustrialized setting where his mainvillain doctor athelonious drake,was a scientist obsessed with evolving the human race. So they never ended upfinding this villain, but they found a lot of his twisted experiments wherethey were thinking. It sounds like they were. Thinking like they were fightingmonsters, but in reality they were actually killing other humans that hadbeen isted by these experiments and that that was going to be. This bigreveal once the players an inklind B'cause. Theywere finding his research notes on all of this, but it sounds like he wasbuilding up to this big reveal of like you're the monsters all along a whichYe lwas a fun reveal m. We also had from user, can you do the Cam Cam ondiscord, ot the name by the way that he played a villain where essentially thebad guys were seven evil, wizards based on the seven deadly sins, but one ofthe bad guys was revealed to be the leader of the local majors Gild thatseveral of the parties were members of. So it was a moment where they had trusted this individual. They hadgotten to know Thi NPC quite well, and...

...then he flipped around basically later intothis campaign. It was like surprise on the evil guy all along. Let's throw tthat NA always always a fun surprise moment. I love pappering that as in aswell mhm M and I going back over to our twitter at LF under school, Osrresponded with LURD soft who I did not know, but I looked it up and it lookslike he's a very iconic character from the Dragon Lance Setting, which hasbeen I'm never quite sure if Dragon Lance's official dand, but it soundslike it's one of those third party things that's become basic cannonbecause of his legendary setus m. He was a a fictional pallad in it sounds like aknight of the Black Rose, who became this Um very, very antigonistic character, thisvery evil character. Um He's been named as one of the greatest villins in Dandhistory by the nowdefont Dragon magazine, which is no small feats forsure. I don't know aten about him, but I I kind of want to after reading someof these. Some of these descriptions h seems like a lot of people love to hatethis guy so like to read into what makes him such a good deal but love to hate. She love to haste.That's that's the lesson to take their osts Um. Unfortunately, that does bringus to the end of this episode of triple advantage. If you'd like to be on ournext talk of the town stay to to our instogram, our twitter or discordserver wor will be asking the next question in the meantime, keep an Eotfor releases for any new products that one of themshould be coming out very soon wh. I don't want to soil what's coming up,but there's something coming out very soon that I think people are reallygoing no like, especially with a Halloween right around the corner. Soin the meantime take it easy, stay safe and will catch you next Tom.

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