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Bonus Action - Fizban's Treasury of Dragons


With Jordan away for the week, Carlos and Braeden take a look at the latest announced sourcebook for D&D: Fizban's Treasury of Dragons.

Although every one welcome back toanother triple advantage bonus action, i know what you're thinkin it's mondayand there should be a new episode, but there's not. Why is there not a newepisode carless, because we're alone, as we're alone,it's just the two of us sitting all by our loads ome in two separate houses,jordan decided to do other stuff than to do the podcast and left us in thelurch, and i think i think, he's fire. What do you think were we ever hired? Can we fire him? Do we have that authority? Do we have any authority? I don't knowwell figure that i mean well and just so you guys know it isgoing to be two weeks of no jordan, so yeah. Maybe you know, we definitelyneed you to consider this yeah. Then, if you're not like in this band or takea couple weeks off, you know what it's just going to be us for a bit. But whatwe have to talk to you about to day is the neest d n d book that has beenannounced, which is fismes treasury of dragons and new source book, and i amsuper excited about this. I think that we started calling that they were goingto do some dragon stuff around the time that they announce the to posno classes, yeah the the way forthe two sub classes, which was the drake warden ranger and the is it called the ascendant dragon amonk yes, and we also got draconic options as well. Yes, we did, and itlooks in it, looks like those are both going to be appearing in this sourcebook, but let's, let's break down what thisactually is. So from what i understand, pisma the fabulous who is kind of thevolo or the tasha of this particular module is a character from dragon lance, whichis the setting that a lot of the official books took place in. Did youever read any of these books nope? Fortunately, i think this wouldhave been a good time to have jordan here, because i do think he did read.Quite a few of these book series, but he can join it on the talk of the town.Conversation on this particular episode. Look for his answer on twitter, but yeah from what i understand. This was apretty popular character and they've resurrected him from the dragon landsetting to do the dragon lance a to the dragon teemed book and i've. I thought that maybe this was going tobe like a drug on land source book and it looks like it's explicitly not thatit's more of a an overview of dragons and tricon options and dragon relatedthings, which is neat because i and the interesting yeah go ahead. Theinteresting part, too, is that fitzpater, if you do a little more digging, is actually aan avatar for the god paladine in this world, and yes, i did in fact just readdragon slant. The dragon lands wicky for this information, but with that inmind, we're talking about that like a good god, dragon of sorts. So with that in mind, i feel like thisbook is going to be more flavored towards a nosy manager or something like keeping tabs on its.Like guess it's people or damazin yeah,tennyson's yeah, that's just an assumption, jus it like a dragoncreation, god that he's the avatar of yes, he is one of the first godssummoned by the high god from the beyond, quite literally just a big big olddragon. Other names goes as bahama kind of thing, just flavored differently. Indaring lans, very sumple,...

...we've got the we've got the pictures ofthe both the original cover and thealternate cover that they tend to do. I do like the alternate cover. All coverlooks real nice, the some of the recent ones i haven't been digging, but i likei'm liking the kind of yanyenge five that they got going on here of the rentdragon with what appears to be a gold dragon yeah. I guess so, but yeah jest like representing the thegood and evil. I guess of the. I guess the balance that they'rebringing forth, because i think all the all dragon elements are evil. Is it not? A red dragons are at least red. Isn'tit more divided among metallic chromatic versus? I don't know. Youjust ran a dragon theme campaign and you, but that's what i mean like that'show it is in a hard at arote drank queen and tom ofanila, ion the metallic or more good lines. The chromatics are more evil lined and it tends to paint themas exclusively one or the other. I don't know if there's any president, my of crossing one crossingover to the other side or not, i think everything just be likeinterchangeable right like in the cases of there. He there is a little bit of multi versal low kind of associatedwith with this particular character as well, which i mean like in the way that tendis kind of going right now, right, like i kind of just picture like a dcuniverse, for like all the superheroes are bad kind of dragons. You know theall the metallics or now evil and reds are not good, but swap out somegem dragons as well yeah, which we will talk about because i'm so excited but scrolling down. The first thingthat i wanted to touch on is so we released a module a while back written by our friend matt newman, theelder dragon patron, which the idea of the elder dragon wasessentially a dragon, far older and far more powerful thaneven a an ancient dragon, a dragon that was basically like subgod here, not like bahama, necessarily but like right under m, and that was fun to come up with. Butit sounds like this that's also in here. I not not our concept. Obviously, i'mnot saying wizards rite for concept, but we've got the massive god like greatworms which dwarf even the ancient dragons that have long sat atop, the dnd master manual food chain, which is just that's. That's that's like that's a lot. That's a big bad! That's aws, big bad! Well, and this book also covers- or atleast we were we're getting now into the realm of like introducing mythiccreatures right. So that was also a something like introducing evenfarther more powerful characters. Do you think, perhaps another another guess right now,but like a lot of higher level campaigns, perhaps going on? What's thepower scaling been on the last couple of book releases last couple of book?What were the last couple of book releases? We had well like i'm thinkinglike morton canons introduced like higher than cr ten monsters as well. Itdid the last couple: i've been like avernusand right rim on the frost maiden whichboth start at level one and they don't definitely don't, go up high enough tobe on great worms at them. Maybe likethere really aren't a ton of options...

...for like high level pre writtencampaigns are there. I don't think so. I might yeah you might be right. Theymight be going in a direction where we might see more i'd be interested. Hmm, i just a player base matures a littlebit too it suck its nice and seasoned. So we've got new character options forplayers. We've got the monk and ranger supplesse that we already talked aboutthe way the ascended dragon and the drake warden. Very cool. We've talked about this at lengthbefore so i don't think we need to dive into those. We got no options fordragon born characters. You want to be descended from gem dragons, rather thanchromatic or metallic and speaking of jem dragons we've kept gem dragons,which are really really cool. I think we touched on these a little bit aswell that when the draconic options were out, it's another. U a or in our case ud, be like a bonus sectioncover yeah as well. This is definitely one of the things i'm most excited forso what we've got here for jim dragons is that we have a lot of new damagetypes. It sounds like so we used to have like the elemental damage typesfor worth weapons, and now it sounds like we have necrotic radiant options.It hinted having psionic power so dragons that might be able to dopsychic damage, perhaps force damage very much damage types that are traditionallyattributed to dragons, yes, and along those lines, the the dragon born races also have theresistances towards those damages, because if you there's not many there's to many classes that haveresidences to like sayoni damage, so i think it's going to throw andspice up people's games for sure. Have you have you given a thought to whatkind of dragon born crystal dragon you might want to roll? I have t, do wehave it? Do we have a list of gem dragons and their abilities yeah, i think so somewhere. I have not seen that as if yet, but iwould absolutely like to are gumdragon here. Yes, you have force radiance, psychic,thunder and necrotic. Have we had thunder before lightning,we have hmmm. So this is literally like it's so loud. It does damage if it'sthunder damage, oh god, yeah this year, wind force, oh, which gets into a cool ways todescribe, but the encounter is to right, like instead of like a sapphire dragonyou're. Seeing like this seven forty seven throat open up-and you see a bunch of like sapphire- start clanging together, creating thislike a resonating, sound that just you know, that'd be real cool. I do forall. These are cool, actually a four dragon, just like a big big old, justlaces m. The radiant damage is interesting aswell to actually it's all cool the ratings in the acrotatus you're, justbringing death on them. This is so fresh. This is all so fresh. You know,that's why i like it. I like just the sheer concept of jem. Dragons is thecoolest to me, and i think that sounds from like it. There was. I think i'vetalked before when we talked about this. There was a series that i read as a kidthat put a lot of emphasis on dragons being linked to gemstone,specifically, but obviously in d and d, we've got metallic an we got chromatic and now tohave this third...

...all new. I assume it's all new is thislike from? This is a call back this all back.It's definitely called back to way before either of us played o yes to the old days of the end, that's yeah! I am oh wait here. We go very since third, two thousand and two thirdedition monster manual, this second, oh ground, thas been almost twentyyears since we've had jem dragons in the game and two editions ago, yeah that a fole my mind to know howold this game is, and that's third edition, like it's s,right, nd, yeah or man crazy. But it's also that's crazy to me that,like this stuff has been around for so long, but there's entire generations ofplayers that just have no idea that this exists- and this is going to be. This is goingto be completely new. To i mean i use a clause game right likeit will didn't advertise that they play tend very true. Now i see articles onhow to include the ind an your resume like it goes. It goes from one way to theother real quick, but yeah. I am. I am very excited forthis. Have we? This is the first source book that really focuses in on.Like one thing like we've had we have a bunch ofadventure things we have a bunch of setting things and then, whenever youdo like a like a volos or something like it is bolos and you got like a ton ofdifferent creatures in it. Morinaga had a ton of differentinclusions in it, any of like tashes or sanna thars havea ton of different player options in it. This is like dragons and only dragonsand nothing but dragons. I don't think we've ever seen thatbefore which is like, i don't know if we need to see this ever again, becauseit's it's one of the two things in the name of the game. But what else could they do like? Couldthey make another like this and only this module? I think they could for sure you couldalways make new devils and demons like a new devils and demons machel.Actually i'd re. I create that yeah yeah. There's always i mean there'salways this new. The owl bear handbook that'd be nice to have hole there. Oh no, hey! Sixty differences betweenencountering us now albert versus a grizzly albert yeah. I am i'm curious to see if we've talked, i don't remember if we'vetalked on the podcast, but definitely off the podcast, with people about thepotential of not fi be coming to a close,necessarily not with all the stuff coming up for it, but the like sixty,maybe being on the horizon, with a lot of what's being added. Recently, i don't, i don't know what's comingnext, and this is not like, if you had asked me to put money on what the nexthorse book would have been, even with all the direction stuff. I wouldn'thave bet on a book of all dragon stuff like what would they need to what wouldthey need to do with six really like well like what? What would i'm just thinking like, likeas a game update here like what would they need to change to introduce a sixelike yeah they're, introducing a lot of content here, but all of it is alreadykind of more do as you want at the table right thata lot like that they're going to a lot of it's kind of do as you want at thetable as an ultimate rule. I could see...

...that just becoming the norm, i see and then just officially releaset. Would that be like what the official release of six then, when they kind ofjust like merge those role sets into one cohesivenew book. I think so. Do that clean up a lot of class stuff mean up the rangerspecifically seriously, there's like eight versionsof the ranger and everybody hates at least three of them. Yet some i get like a comprehensive list of sub classesbecause, like as much as i like all the additional releases that havecome out, it would be nice to have like a collected volume of like here's all ofthe player options in one book. Instead of having to own six books just to figure out what you want toeven start a campaign as yeah, it's a big, that's a big ask,there's a lot of stuff, but i could like, if they were to do that, i couldsee them doing that now. I don't think that would make senses for like acompany, though especially when you want to when you want to describe thelord, you can almost expand each one into another book to sell abs yeah.Unfortunately it doesn't make monetary sense, but i can dream it'slike. Why don't you put all of the duergar music into one long time? I could actually that be yeah. I'mgonna do that. It's this one like he or continuoussong. He at least then you wouldn't have toyou, wouldn't have to loop anything. You could just like loop, the track,you're good, it's true ambience six hour, ambience, hey, sopeople want to run long sessions. You know it's coming. It's coming, kids, but i'm excited you've said what what about thisparticular lie excites. So the most yea drag ends. Well, yeah. I don't know i'mactually kind of i'm kind of concerned that, like again right we're talkingabout like updating content, the kind ofalready exists somewhere else to like aggregate like regular chromaticdragons are going to be in this book as well, like fitz pans perspective of itsure. But how much content do you think and pre written stuff? Are they goingto just pull into this book and sort of sound? It's it's a good like i like howmuch is going to get patted by other previous written pieces right, becauseyou're talking about jem, dragons and gen dragon dragon dragon, borns you're talking tosubclass options or with two or three two and you're, also looking at new spells and items right. Does that make a full book? What elseare they? What else is going in there aside from story from fitzpaine colorful commentary? Is it going to bejust rehashed or slightly updated? Information on cromatic and metallicdagons would be a little disappointing. I think. Well, if it was like a wholesection on lower kind of like how morgan canons like expanded a lot ofnot stat stuff, necessarily but a lot of ore, not morning catons bolos how heexpanded like a lot of the lower side of different, likeiconic creatures, to kind of flesh those out, as from a from an art, pside from like a dm tool side. If they did that with dragons. I knowthere's already a lot on dragons, but if they added even more that'd, be onething but like one of the interviews that i was reading said that the creators were talkingabout how they're tried to show not tell so verses like a bunch of lorether'd, be like tables or something versus. I think the example that iwrote was like, instead of a instead of like a huge aerograph on thebehavioral traits of a brast dragon,...

...they're just going to give you like atable of breast ragon traits and you can roll on that to create your breastreagan, which i've i mean i'm. If anybody pays attention to our divining,the d mg section, i'm not a huge fan of tables, i think i'drather get the lower, but i the like something, at least it's interesting that you mention that,though, because there is like personalities to thesetypes of dragons right, like i mean to the sense of you, don't it's just it's it's justgetting too homogeneous. I think at that point right, because then whatdifferentiates are red dragon verses? You know a blue dragon other than thebreath attack if yea the personalities, don't change right, like i guess,you're trying to make it so that yeah anybody can be anything in this worldright. That's the general sort of shift that wizards is taking towards theirgame. That's, like i don't know. I guess i'd like to know that i'm walking intoa friendly dragon's layer. You know not oh well, they can just like crystaldragon. Sometimes are super chatty. Sometimes they just kill you so alwaysbecause players are always going to be like on the oh. This creature is goingto kill me side of loin yeah it's and be more aggressiveif they don't know, if there's no lower, that could like specify oh you'rehanging out your you know her friendly dragons versus not i don't like, whenhave your players ever approached a room in a well? I wonder if they'lltalk to us first, if it's like an unknown situation, it's true yeah combat is the is the first thing on anybody's mind, maybe that, but i guess i guess thatbrings it to the question of like is come at the first thing on their minds, because that's what every player thinksor does every player think like that, because that's just the way it's alwaysbeen. So i'm wondering if doing this willactually change the way that the games played for people that aren't like usthat are just picking this up for the first time. Maybe yeah and i mean like anything rightlike you- can choose to roll on the tables or not, but i do think there are certain elementsof this game that for again dem's having these sort of cookie cutterthings like specify. Yes, these dragons have this type of personality, cool.Okay. I can work with that. If you want to throw that out the window go ahead.Yes, that's been stated in the tmt rules are whatever you want it to beall ready. So i just like the just and also tablestables, take up more space. No that's yeah! That's but like i feel like if they, insteadof giving me a table if they had given me like a page long overview of like breast dragons andtheir overall personality traits, i would have preferred that till likehere's, the table roll on it. No, no i still like like. Are they going todescribe? Are they going to describe personality traits in this book? I fromthe person from and and there's it's so deep right, because it's like? Are yougoing to describe personality traits because some you know a human can beinquisitive, a dragon can be inquisitive, but there's a difference.I think it perspective with regards to a being that lives eons compared to theinquisition of a mortal being for sure right. So that is a fun area to explorethematically right because, like it's like in thehore of the drink ween campaign, right, like the players like us, we were kindof trying to like trade with the dragons, but it was hard because thedragons were beyond any sort of stuff that we could give them right describethat in the books, yeah, i'm o again.

This is all assumptions we're otta, we're both beating onwizards. We don't know what they're releasing and we're both praisingwizards. We don't know what they're releasing. This is jus. What the pretty reactionacastle say this is, what will make us upset, andthis is what will make us happy wiser if you don't take exactly whatthe two of us say in these twenty five minutes and put them into your books,were boycotting clearly can stop the press cycle onthis. This is not a. We are not a giant venture publishing mechanism that needssoaker and an wizards can certainly pivot at any point in time. Yes, now weare clearly the two biggest voices in the d nd community and our expectationsare absolutely normal and reasonable, in fact be foolish e not to but yeah. I think that'd be cool toexplore. I think that this is going to be real cool to read into i mean likeif we could sit here and talk about like they're going to do this and thiswe're going to buy it. It's i that that special edition cover looks quite nice.I think yeah, that's. That has to be on my shelf on your shelf, but that's a that's a that's a coffee table book man, apresent that no nobody's touched about that out for the, but that you had aglass case in your finger prints on my specialliteration cover my wise, but that was what we got for today'sbonus action. Have you read over the unveiling of this new d d module? Whatdo you think? Did you like us? Did you not like it? Our jam dragon's thecoolest thing you've ever heard of. Do you also use tables or not? Let us knowon our social media at rose society on instagram at real city, social, ontwitter of community discord. Lings can be had a both keep it locked on herefor new episodes of triple advantage coming up we'll see. Next, a t t.

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